US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[Grave_n_idle]

Actually, by definition, a MINIMUM wage IS 'one size fits all'.

Not necessarily. It does not have to be across everyone, everywhere. Because the median wage varies greatly from place to place, so should the minimum wage.

No, you're apparently not understanding what the 'minimum' part of 'minimum wage' means.

[Yorkers]

Well, I wouldn't say Trump is a racist.

However, he is pandering to racists because, well, what the fuck else would he be doing anyways by proposing targeting sectors of the population which the white majority doesn't approve of?

Oh and let's not forget Trump ranting about Indiana born federal judge Gonzalo Curiel handling the Trump You case, calling him a Mexican and that it would be a conflict of interest because Trump wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

What's wrong with that? Are judges incapable of having tribalistic affiliations and bias?

What would Sonia "I hope a wise Latina influences court decisions" Sotomayor have to say about that?

[New Jerzylvania]

It's the pick that nullifies the Dump Trump movement at the convention. Other than that I see no benefit.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/here-ar ... ike-pence/

Not really. Mike Pence isn't some kind of conservative folk hero, he's not a military guy, this won't really do anything to hold off a potential coup. The only thing that will stop that is a party establishment unwilling to upset the apple cart to save the Republican Party.

It can't be saved in time for November. Smartest move is to punt and hope the kick isn't blocked for an easy big score by the Donkey team.

You haven't been keeping up, dear. Dump Trump might already be done:
http://time.com/4407469/donald-trump-ne ... gate-fail/

[Cymrea]

There are some rumours floating about that Trump regrets naming Pence, and may be looking for a way to reverse his decision. Anyone know if there's any substance to that?

[Guy]

You're in luck, Clinton's lead has started to collapse.

I can't blame you for having that impression, because that idea has been peddled in the media because of a few choice polls, despite the majority still favoring Clinton. The media did the same thing when Trump had a lead in a few polls after the GOP started to "unite". But let's actually look at the RCP poll averages.

General Election: +2.7

Ohio: +1.3
Florida: +0.6
Virginia: +5.8
North Carolina: +2.0
Pennsylvania: +3.2
New Hampshire: +2.7
Iowa: +3.8
Nevada: +0.5
Colorado: +8.0
Wisconsin: +5.6
Michigan: +7.4
Arizona: +0.5

Clinton leads in every polling average minus Nevada, in which there were only two polls, one recent one with Clinton leading by +4, and one from May with Trump leading by +5.

But yeah she should just give up now.

And she only needs like, about a quarter of those states to win.

I think it's more likely for Clinton to hit 400 EVs than to lose.

[New Jerzylvania]

There are some rumours floating about that Trump regrets naming Pence, and may be looking for a way to reverse his decision. Anyone know if there's any substance to that?

If Trump did that he would destroy his own candidacy on the basis of indecisiveness. I doubt there is any substance to that rumour.

[Khadgar]

There are some rumours floating about that Trump regrets naming Pence, and may be looking for a way to reverse his decision. Anyone know if there's any substance to that?

Pence is probably the smartest pick Trump could have made. I can see how he must lament doing something intelligent for a change.

[Liriena]

What's wrong with that? Are judges incapable of having tribalistic affiliations and bias?

No, but you would actually have to prove those tribalistic affiliations and bias, not just use the judges' heritage as a cudgel and leave it there.

Whining about an American judge being "a Mexican" and saying your own policy proposals make Muslim judges, female judges, and judges with Latino decent unfit to oversee cases involving you, however, is plainly prejudiced and unacceptable.

There is no maneuvering space for you here. You either agree with Trump's assessment that entire demographics are unfit to oversee any case involving him because of their demographic, or you don't.

[Novus America]

Not necessarily. It does not have to be across everyone, everywhere. Because the median wage varies greatly from place to place, so should the minimum wage.

Each state has it's own minimum wage, which (supposedly) takes local costs into account.

But which actually does not. Both states and the Feds pull random numbers out their ass, nobody uses the proper .50 of median wage formula.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/l ... y_dube.pdf

But Minimum wage is a Goldilocks problem. To low it is ineffective. Two high it causes unemployment.

Whic can be an issue with a single minimum across the board. Say the US equilibirium wage is 12 dollars, in San Francisco it is 15 dollars, and rural Texas is 9. If you set it at 12 it will be useless in SF, but too high in rural Texas. 9 would work fine in rural Texas but still be useless in SF.

[Novus America]

Not necessarily. It does not have to be across everyone, everywhere. Because the median wage varies greatly from place to place, so should the minimum wage.

No, you're apparently not understanding what the 'minimum' part of 'minimum wage' means.

Again the minimum wage is a Goldilocks problem. It needs to be just right. Try to make it the same everywhere an it will be just right for nobody.

[Grave_n_idle]

No, you're apparently not understanding what the 'minimum' part of 'minimum wage' means.

Again the minimum wage is a Goldilocks problem. It needs to be just right. Try to make it the same everywhere an it will be just right for nobody.

Again, no - MINIMUM means... can anyone think of a better way to describe what minimum means? I'm failing, here.

[Novus America]

Again the minimum wage is a Goldilocks problem. It needs to be just right. Try to make it the same everywhere an it will be just right for nobody.

Again, no - MINIMUM means... can anyone think of a better way to describe what minimum means? I'm failing, here.

Umm the minimum wage does not have to be the same everywhere. There is no reason why Mississipi and California could not and should not have a different minimum wage.

You could set it to the lowest equilibirium wage if you want a true "minimum" in your absolutist terms. But that would only be effective in the one place where it actually was the equilibrium.

Though that is not the true minimum, the true minimum would be 0. This semantics game is stupid because the minimum wage is not a true minimum, it can always be lower. (Unless it is zero).

[The New Equestrian Federation]

Again the minimum wage is a Goldilocks problem. It needs to be just right. Try to make it the same everywhere an it will be just right for nobody.

Again, no - MINIMUM means... can anyone think of a better way to describe what minimum means? I'm failing, here.

The absolute lowest amount you can possibly get/gain/have.

[Novus America]

Again, no - MINIMUM means... can anyone think of a better way to describe what minimum means? I'm failing, here.

The absolute lowest amount you can possibly get/gain/have.

By that argument though the "minimum wage" would be 0. The minimum wage is never actually a true minimum. Because the true minimum is would be zero.

Which is why this semantics game is pointless.

[Ashmoria]

Has anyone else heard about Gingrich's comments after the Nice attack?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... in-sharia/

"Western civilization is in a war. We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in sharia they should be deported," Gingrich told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

This includes American born citizens, just so you know. It's not just refugees or immigrants.

when I read about it I was sure it would turn out to be a spoof.

ooops

my sister tweeted:

I didn't expect it! newt wants to bring back the Spanish inquisition!

[Khadgar]

Has anyone else heard about Gingrich's comments after the Nice attack?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... in-sharia/


This includes American born citizens, just so you know. It's not just refugees or immigrants.

when I read about it I was sure it would turn out to be a spoof.

ooops

my sister tweeted:

I didn't expect it! newt wants to bring back the Spanish inquisition!

Remember, when the Republican party platform demands secular law conform with their religion but it's only acceptable if Christians do it I suppose. If you're a Muslim and want to legislate based on your faith then you're out of here.

[Geilinor]

There are some rumours floating about that Trump regrets naming Pence, and may be looking for a way to reverse his decision. Anyone know if there's any substance to that?

I don't know. He can change his pick any time before the convention officially nominates the ticket.

[Liriena]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

[Khadgar]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

Appropriately it appears Pence is giving Donald a handy. Probably going to be his job.

[Liriena]

There are some rumours floating about that Trump regrets naming Pence, and may be looking for a way to reverse his decision. Anyone know if there's any substance to that?

I don't know. He can change his pick any time before the convention officially nominates the ticket.

What was Trump thinking, really?

We know he didn't want to "pander" and have a woman or a person from a minority in the ticket. His campaign staff made that quite clear. But Pence doesn't have broad appeal even on an ideological level.

[Nazeroth]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

Dosnt look to bad, i just like the plain "make america great again"

[Liriena]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

Appropriately it appears Pence is giving Donald a handy. Probably going to be his job.

I wonder how Chris Christie is doing.

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

Dosnt look to bad, i just like the plain "make america great again"

With an exclamation mark? Nah. Not fond of that stuff.

[Kelinfort]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

So I'm not the only one who thought it looked like a T shaped dick inside of a P...

[Liriena]

Oh dear... the Trump-Pence logo is out, and it's kiiiiiiinky.

So I'm not the only one who thought it looked like a T shaped dick inside of a P...

Nope. The internet already reached a consensus on it, and the fact that "TP" means one thing, and one thing alone: the mighty Cornholio is back!

[Liriena]

So I'm not the only one who thought it looked like a T shaped dick inside of a P...

Nope. The internet already reached a consensus on it, and the fact that "TP" means one thing, and one thing alone: the mighty Cornholio is back!

And then it got even better.