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Who will win the election?

Donald Trump
27
29%
Hillary Clinton
52
55%
Gary Johnson
10
11%
Jill Stein
5
5%
 
Total votes : 94

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:04 am

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Yep, 12% currently and with any luck he'll keep climbing.

Man I hope we get debate access.

So do I, not only would I like some clarification of Johnson's stances on some things, but I would like to see Hillary and to a lesser extent Trump's responses to his points.


Given Trump has already gone out of his way to call us fringe and whatnot I can imagine he would respond in his normal way.

I could probably help with stances on things if you're curious, I don't know everything about him but I'm fairly knowledgeable on his positions and whatnot.
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maurepas wrote:So do I, not only would I like some clarification of Johnson's stances on some things, but I would like to see Hillary and to a lesser extent Trump's responses to his points.


Given Trump has already gone out of his way to call us fringe and whatnot I can imagine he would respond in his normal way.


I thought it was hilarious that Trump felt the need to talk shit about Johnson and Weld even before the Libertarian convention. It's like it never crossed his mind that he was giving them free publicity.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:11 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given Trump has already gone out of his way to call us fringe and whatnot I can imagine he would respond in his normal way.


I thought it was hilarious that Trump felt the need to talk shit about Johnson and Weld even before the Libertarian convention. It's like it never crossed his mind that he was giving them free publicity.


Maybe Trump is actually feeling the Johnson and that's why he's trying to sink the GOP :o
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maurepas wrote:So do I, not only would I like some clarification of Johnson's stances on some things, but I would like to see Hillary and to a lesser extent Trump's responses to his points.


Given Trump has already gone out of his way to call us fringe and whatnot I can imagine he would respond in his normal way.

I could probably help with stances on things if you're curious, I don't know everything about him but I'm fairly knowledgeable on his positions and whatnot.

Well mainly things that will probably be fundamental disagreements with the party ultimately. His position on the Department of Education and Public Education funding, my state government is remarkably terrible at running a school system so the idea of leaving that to the States is not something I'm wanting to get behind, and I'm not a big fan of cuts in their funding.

He had also in 2012 supported Healthcare reform in the vein of the Swiss system, which from what I've read is a remarkably well run system, but it does have a lot of requirements set by the Swiss Government that I'd imagine would be hard to swallow for a lot of Libertarians. I'm curious as to whether he still supports that system.

Mainly though it's the things I already agree with him on that I'm most curious about, mainly foreign policy, ending the drug war, social issues, etc., that I would like him to force Clinton and Trump to answer for.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:26 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I thought it was hilarious that Trump felt the need to talk shit about Johnson and Weld even before the Libertarian convention. It's like it never crossed his mind that he was giving them free publicity.


Maybe Trump is actually feeling the Johnson and that's why he's trying to sink the GOP :o


Not sure how much he can feel with those tiny hands of his...
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:26 am

Clinton has a 99.9% chance of winning.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:30 am

Maurepas wrote:
He had also in 2012 supported Healthcare reform in the vein of the Swiss system, which from what I've read is a remarkably well run system, but it does have a lot of requirements set by the Swiss Government that I'd imagine would be hard to swallow for a lot of Libertarians. I'm curious as to whether he still supports that system.


I haven't heard him say anything about it this year, but it would be cool if he did.
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Postby Koninkrijk Zeeland » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:56 am

I support Donald Trump. Make America great again , i hope he will be as good as Reagan!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:07 am

Koninkrijk Zeeland wrote:I support Donald Trump. Make America great again , i hope he will be as good as Reagan!


Reagan was awful.
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Postby Sorkun » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:13 am

Dudes

In other words, Trump has my full support.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Koninkrijk Zeeland wrote:I support Donald Trump. Make America great again , i hope he will be as good as Reagan!


Reagan was awful.


And the sad thing is, he was still far better than Trump could ever be. :(
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:06 am

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Ashmoria wrote:well then it doesn't matter what you think of who should be on the ticket. a non-endorsement from a non-democrat is a good thing.


Yes, because fuck the frustrated ones that left.

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Postby Trumpostan » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:49 am

Sorkun wrote:Dudes

In other words, Trump has my full support.


I was thinking of another dude who died in 1945 after failing in his pledge to make his country great again.

Anyway, Hillary's post California poll bump is confirmed by several major pollsters.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... psing.html

Reuters/IPSOS +8
IDB/TIPP +5
Fox News +3
Rasmussen +4

Rasmussen previously had The Donald leading by 5, and famously were the only ones who predicted a Romney win in 2012. If both they AND Fox have HRC leading you know Trump is in trouble. With more revelations and court cases about his utterly fraudulent and dishonest business practises certainly coming it could get worse for him.

But let's not count our blessings just yet, nearly five months to go.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:53 am

Super rich successful and well endowed Donald seems to have an awful time paying bills. It's a curious thing that a man with such obvious wealth couldn't spare enough to pay his bills.

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Postby Trumpostan » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:00 am

Khadgar wrote:Super rich successful and well endowed Donald seems to have an awful time paying bills. It's a curious thing that a man with such obvious wealth couldn't spare enough to pay his bills.


Scamming other investors, companies, workers and "students" (Trump Uni) sure seems a great way of getting rich. And there also seem to have been plenty of suckers willing to let Donald get away with it. Fortunately there are also many who don't want him to get away with it.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:47 am

Trumpostan wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Super rich successful and well endowed Donald seems to have an awful time paying bills. It's a curious thing that a man with such obvious wealth couldn't spare enough to pay his bills.


Scamming other investors, companies, workers and "students" (Trump Uni) sure seems a great way of getting rich. And there also seem to have been plenty of suckers willing to let Donald get away with it. Fortunately there are also many who don't want him to get away with it.


It's like Trump's in the process of being exposed as a buck-nekkid emprah who tries to cheat everyone out of their money in every way imaginable. He'll be lucky if it's just his Presidential campaign that gets destroyed after all this.

This is what Trump is going to look like reputation-wise
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:22 am

The balkens wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:well then it doesn't matter what you think of who should be on the ticket. a non-endorsement from a non-democrat is a good thing.


Yes, because fuck the frustrated ones that left.


Honestly, seems like you fucked yourself as your excuses seem to dwell on the personal rather than with reason.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe Trump is actually feeling the Johnson and that's why he's trying to sink the GOP :o


Not sure how much he can feel with those tiny hands of his...


:lol:
And not to mention that teeny tiny heart.
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Postby Trumpostan » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:25 am

Trump seems to be under the delusion that as POTUS he gets to order the PGA to move a golf tournament back to his Florida golf course.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:25 am

Trumpostan wrote:Trump seems to be under the delusion that as POTUS he gets to order the PGA to move a golf tournament back to his Florida golf course.


Wouldn't be surprised they moved it away from his Florida golf course because he stiffed them on fees and whatnot.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:27 am

Khadgar wrote:Super rich successful and well endowed Donald seems to have an awful time paying bills. It's a curious thing that a man with such obvious wealth couldn't spare enough to pay his bills.

"Slander! They're all lying!"

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Postby New Jerzylvania » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Koninkrijk Zeeland wrote:I support Donald Trump. Make America great again , i hope he will be as good as Reagan!


Reagan was awful.


He is so fucking overrated it staggers credibility.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:29 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Super rich successful and well endowed Donald seems to have an awful time paying bills. It's a curious thing that a man with such obvious wealth couldn't spare enough to pay his bills.

"Slander! They're all lying!"

He'll be checking them out on Ancestry.com for Mexican heritage!
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:36 am

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:"Slander! They're all lying!"

He'll be checking them out on Ancestry.com for Mexican heritage!


Man, if this was a comedy film that's where Trump discovers a heavy percentage of Mexican blood in his family.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Ozymandias Egypticus » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:45 am

Gauthier wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:He'll be checking them out on Ancestry.com for Mexican heritage!


Man, if this was a comedy film that's where Trump discovers a heavy percentage of Mexican blood in his family.


Si.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:15 am

Nobody's posted it yet, so:
Biden has endorsed Clinton.

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