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Who will win the election?

Donald Trump
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29%
Hillary Clinton
52
55%
Gary Johnson
10
11%
Jill Stein
5
5%
 
Total votes : 94

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:17 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Hillary's poll aggregate has gone up from +2.4 to +3.8 today, generally a positive trend and Sanders hasn't even dropped out yet.


I think reality is starting to sink in for some people that were in denial about Bernie losing -- even if he hasn't officially dropped out.

I've got my popcorn ready. The real trip begins now. First we have the BernieBro meltdown, then we'll have the.. whatever Trump fanboys are called meltdown in November. It's just grade A popcorn from here on out.

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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:25 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:ooooo Elizabeth warren is tearing trump a new asshole

"Donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one but himself. and THAT is just one of the many reasons he will never be president of the united states"

methinks she is going to get some mean "pocohontas" tweets!


It's the best campaign speech that I've seen since 2008. If she's auditioning to see if she can fulfillt the traditional "attack dog" role of a V.P. pick, then I'd say that she passed it with flying colors. Here's the whole thing, worth watching in its entirety.


You're right; that is a good speech.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:29 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:ooooo Elizabeth warren is tearing trump a new asshole

"Donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one but himself. and THAT is just one of the many reasons he will never be president of the united states"

methinks she is going to get some mean "pocohontas" tweets!


It's the best campaign speech that I've seen since 2008. If she's auditioning to see if she can fulfillt the traditional "attack dog" role of a V.P. pick, then I'd say that she passed it with flying colors. Here's the whole thing, worth watching in its entirety.

"Trump is criticising Judge Curiel for following the law, instead of bending it to suit the financial interests of one wealthy and oh-so-fragile defendant."

Gosh, I'd marry that woman.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:31 pm

A Clinton-warren ticket?

Nope.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:33 pm

The balkens wrote:A Clinton-warren ticket?

Nope.

Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:34 pm

Liriena wrote:
The balkens wrote:A Clinton-warren ticket?

Nope.

Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.

warren is the only one I would have dropped Clinton to support.
whatever

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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:37 pm

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Major-Tom wrote: Warren....outside of the progressive camp, she isn't all that well liked.


I can't imagine she's particularly well liked today among progressives, now that she's betrayed the very progressive ideals she claimed to fight for.


Dude, what are you talking about? She endorsed Clinton for the good of the party cos she wants to help beat Trump. If she was really abandoning her progressive ideals, she would have endorsed sooner instead of waiting till the voters had their say.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:37 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.

warren is the only one I would have dropped Clinton to support.

Warren was the one the progressive wing of the Democratic Party was begging for, before Sanders came along.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:37 pm

Liriena wrote:
The balkens wrote:A Clinton-warren ticket?

Nope.

Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.

let me put this in a way only i would describe.

Clinton i cant stand, Warren i....just dont like.

There are INDESCRIBABLE things id rather do to myself then have a democratic ticket featuring either of them.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:42 pm

The balkens wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.

let me put this in a way only i would describe.

Clinton i cant stand, Warren i....just dont like.

There are INDESCRIBABLE things id rather do to myself then have a democratic ticket featuring either of them.

so youre not a democrat then?
whatever

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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:43 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The balkens wrote:let me put this in a way only i would describe.

Clinton i cant stand, Warren i....just dont like.

There are INDESCRIBABLE things id rather do to myself then have a democratic ticket featuring either of them.

so youre not a democrat then?


not anymore.

LP is where it is now.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:45 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:so youre not a democrat then?


not anymore.

LP is where it is now.

well then it doesn't matter what you think of who should be on the ticket. a non-endorsement from a non-democrat is a good thing.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:47 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The balkens wrote:
not anymore.

LP is where it is now.

well then it doesn't matter what you think of who should be on the ticket. a non-endorsement from a non-democrat is a good thing.


Yes, because fuck the frustrated ones that left.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:49 pm

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Ashmoria wrote:well then it doesn't matter what you think of who should be on the ticket. a non-endorsement from a non-democrat is a good thing.


Yes, because fuck the frustrated ones that left.


*shrugs* you made that choice.

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:51 pm

The balkens wrote:
Liriena wrote:Why not? Sure, Clinton isn't the best thing ever, but Warren is pretty great.

let me put this in a way only i would describe.

Clinton i cant stand, Warren i....just dont like.

There are INDESCRIBABLE things id rather do to myself then have a democratic ticket featuring either of them.

I was lurking when i notice you didn't actually state the reason you don't like her.
Mind telling us why or do you just want to reiterate your uncomfortableness with the possible ticket?
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Yes, because fuck the frustrated ones that left.


*shrugs* you made that choice.

Have fun with the LPs. They like to talk about the conspiracy about keeping them down.


Better then a Corporate shill that the DNC had hand picked.

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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:51 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The balkens wrote:let me put this in a way only i would describe.

Clinton i cant stand, Warren i....just dont like.

There are INDESCRIBABLE things id rather do to myself then have a democratic ticket featuring either of them.

I was lurking when i notice you didn't actually state the reason you don't like her.
Mind telling us why or do you just want to reiterate your uncomfortableness with the possible ticket?


She is far to much of a progressive for my tastes. Personally.

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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:51 pm

Liriena wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
It's the best campaign speech that I've seen since 2008. If she's auditioning to see if she can fulfillt the traditional "attack dog" role of a V.P. pick, then I'd say that she passed it with flying colors. Here's the whole thing, worth watching in its entirety.

"Trump is criticising Judge Curiel for following the law, instead of bending it to suit the financial interests of one wealthy and oh-so-fragile defendant."

Gosh, I'd marry that woman.

She seems to be an expert spin doctor, I'll give her that.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:53 pm

The balkens wrote:
Uiiop wrote:I was lurking when i notice you didn't actually state the reason you don't like her.
Mind telling us why or do you just want to reiterate your uncomfortableness with the possible ticket?


She is far to much of a progressive for my tastes. Personally.

Oh,In what way is she too much?
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:57 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The balkens wrote:
She is far to much of a progressive for my tastes. Personally.

Oh,In what way is she too much?


heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the fed to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

and i could only guess her stance on the 2nd amendment which is probably a major turn off for me.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:06 pm

The balkens wrote:heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the fed to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

It's true. She did make that demand... and she and her colleagues actually had a point.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:07 pm

The balkens wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Oh,In what way is she too much?


heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

and i could only guess her stance on the 2nd amendment which is probably a major turn off for me.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Eli ... ontrol.htm
I'd guess if that's an important gripe for someone fair enough. But for me it's not.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
The balkens wrote:heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the fed to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

It's true. She did make that demand... and she and her colleagues actually had a point.


and is it actually going to solve...anything?

other then just the politicians patting themselves on the back for a job well done?

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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:09 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The balkens wrote:
heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

and i could only guess her stance on the 2nd amendment which is probably a major turn off for me.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Eli ... ontrol.htm \
I'd guess if that's an important gripe for someone fair enough. But for me it's not.


My god.

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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:11 pm

The balkens wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Oh,In what way is she too much?


heard of a report that Warren (and others) wanted the fed to be "More diverse" . For some reason. thats the most recent one i can think of.

and i could only guess her stance on the 2nd amendment which is probably a major turn off for me.


Not sure why you think that report was worth getting upset about... It's not really a big thing.
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