Why do you call yourself an anti-feminist?

[Philjia]

If he had the means to pay for an abortion and the mother wanted one but he refused to pay or otherwise assist he's not got a leg to stand on.

I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by this, but I'm going to go with "his only way out of responsibility is her decidi to abort."

Which is a problem.

Abortions should be legal. Period.
His choice to terminate his responsibility should be legal. Period.

Even when the child is alive? Because that would mean that the father can terminate responsibility when the mother can't.

[The House of Petain]

The majority of Generalites are white males.

[Philjia]

The majority of Generalites are white males.

Actually they were large administrative areas of France.

[The Ben Boys]

The majority of Generalites are white males.

And very liberal. What does that tell you?

[Donut section]

I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by this, but I'm going to go with "his only way out of responsibility is her decidi to abort."

Which is a problem.

Abortions should be legal. Period.
His choice to terminate his responsibility should be legal. Period.

Even when the child is alive? Because that would mean that the father can terminate responsibility when the mother can't.

I'm not a woman or a doctor, I will leave the how and when of abortion to them.

[Agerland]

It's been hijacked by radical logic-challenged crybabies desperate to look and feel like the victim for fun and profit.

[Neutraligon]

Anita Sarkessian is an ass. I also think she does what she does to try and make money. She raised money for how many movies, and how many where actually produced? Then she needed to raise more money for more movies without having completed the first set. She is indeed one of the most harmful people to the feminist movements and I wish people would stop giving her any attention.

...

YOU.

I LIKE YOU.

HOLY SHIT.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I call myself a feminist, and to me people like her are toxic. I disavow her and any of the people like her. She does not stand for me, her opinions are not mine. I find her a danger to a liberal equal society, and if I could I would have nothing to do with her and her ilk. Unfortunately since she does use the word feminist to describe herself I have to constantly disavow her and people like her.

I am a feminist, I am also an mra (the same way I am a feminist). The two are not mutually exclusive and I wish people would stop descending into tribalism by separating mra, feminist, and egalitarian. There is so much we could accomplish if we didn't do this stupid stuff, so much we could fix. Feminism has the ground game and men know exactly what issues they face (experience does help when mentioning problems that exist and ways of helping fix that problem) , imagine what we could do if we allied with mras to get men leave after the birth of a child. Imagine how much that could help families where the woman makes more money then the man. Imagine what we could do to make it so that children are protected from abusive women, and so that women are not the expected care givers (which would also help men to get things like custody rights and might also help men who are in abusive situations since it would change how people view men as the abusers). There are so many places where if the two groups stopped acting like asses to each other and stopped putting each other down, where if we just worked together, we could do incredible things.

[New Edom]

Labeling is part of a number of academic disciplines which enable you to identify things. While it is important to be open minded, it is more important to be able to clearly identify what people are talking about. Things like freedom and equality are values; how someone applies them is often ideological, and that is where the words for those identifications becomes important.

No... no it's not more important.

It's that very shorthand that has LEAD to this. Words only mean what the listeners think they mean. So quite bluntly, no we don't need a clear rapid shorthand. In fact we need to get RID of the clear rapid shorthand and encourage actual discussion rather than just people throwing shitfits because their team lost.

It's not a game. We have goals and this insistence on treating ideas to solve the problems on the way to those goals like teams in a football game is harming people.

Yeah you're brushing aside much of what I said.

I once would have agreed with you. The problem is that the labels are there. .That's reality. Feminists, the pouplar movments right now in it, WANT the labels. I could do without them by personal preference and just call things freedom, equality, etc. But these people insist on defining anything that doesn't agree with their orthodoxy as misogyny or ignorance, and anyone who speaks up for men's issues is an MRA and a bad person, so tell m e: what would you do differently after you've spent years trying to reason with people who not only shout you down but try to destroy your reputation? Bow out of the discussion? Do a hamster wheel of trying to talk about values that are ingored? or would you accept that these people are your opponents and bring them down to size?

[The House of Petain]

The majority of Generalites are white males.

And very liberal. What does that tell you?

Sexism is alive and well within the progressive community and with both genders. Seriously. Look at Bernie Sanders supporters.

[The balkens]

And very liberal. What does that tell you?

Sexism is alive and well within the progressive community and with both genders. Seriously. Look at Bernie Sanders supporters.

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Muh sides have left orbit.

[The House of Petain]

Sexism is alive and well within the progressive community and with both genders. Seriously. Look at Bernie Sanders supporters.

...

Muh sides have left orbit.

I do not understand.

[Galloism]

I'm not entirely sure of what you mean by this, but I'm going to go with "his only way out of responsibility is her decidi to abort."

Which is a problem.

Abortions should be legal. Period.
His choice to terminate his responsibility should be legal. Period.

Even when the child is alive? Because that would mean that the father can terminate responsibility when the mother can't.

Actually, under our current system as it stands right now, even after the child is born alive the mother can terminate her responsibility (and the father's) with no repercussions. She can do this without the father's permission, and even terminate his responsibility and rights without his permission.

[The balkens]

...

Muh sides have left orbit.

I do not understand.

You made a generalization of NSG, then made that claim which i find hilarious.

[The balkens]

Even when the child is alive? Because that would mean that the father can terminate responsibility when the mother can't.

Actually, under our current system as it stands right now, even after the child is born alive the mother can terminate her responsibility (and the father's) with no repercussions. She can do this without the father's permission, and even terminate his responsibility and rights without his permission.

Jesus, just leave the kid?

[Neutraligon]

Actually, under our current system as it stands right now, even after the child is born alive the mother can terminate her responsibility (and the father's) with no repercussions. She can do this without the father's permission, and even terminate his responsibility and rights without his permission.

Jesus, just leave the kid?

I believe there are laws that allow a woman to leave the kid at a safe place, like a hospital. By doing so she is abdicating her rights and the rights of the father over the child. Although if the babe is just left there, then who can tell if the person abandoning them is the mother or the father.

[Galloism]

Actually, under our current system as it stands right now, even after the child is born alive the mother can terminate her responsibility (and the father's) with no repercussions. She can do this without the father's permission, and even terminate his responsibility and rights without his permission.

Jesus, just leave the kid?

She can drop off the kid at any hospital, fire station, and a few other places which automatically terminates her responsibility and the father's.

So in the sense that she "might have ten minutes of extra responsibility while she drives to XYZ place" she can't terminate immediately in the absolute sense, but nearly so.

[The balkens]

Jesus, just leave the kid?

I believe there are laws that allow a woman to leave the kid at a safe place, like a hospital. By doing so she is abdicating her rights and the rights of the father over the child.

why also the rights of the father? what if he had no say?

[Neutraligon]

I believe there are laws that allow a woman to leave the kid at a safe place, like a hospital. By doing so she is abdicating her rights and the rights of the father over the child.

why also the rights of the father? what if he had no say?

I believe if the babe is left in one of the above mentioned places, both parents rights are terminated, regardless of who leaves the babe. So if the father leaves the babe both his and the mother's rights to the babe are abdicated. It was meant to help reduce abortions and murder of those children.

[The balkens]

why also the rights of the father? what if he had no say?

I believe if the babe is left in one of the above mentioned places, both parents rights are terminated, regardless of who leaves the babe. So if the father leaves the babe both his and the mother's rights to the babe are abdicated. It was meant to help reduce abortions and murder of those children.

ah.

thanks.

[Neutraligon]

I believe if the babe is left in one of the above mentioned places, both parents rights are terminated, regardless of who leaves the babe. So if the father leaves the babe both his and the mother's rights to the babe are abdicated. It was meant to help reduce abortions and murder of those children.

ah.

thanks.

Doing a brief search, in most states either parent can leave the child, in 4 the mother or a person approved by the mother is the only parent who can leave the child (Georgia, Maryland (really?), Minnesota, and Tennessee.). In some only the custodial parent may leave the child (the best option I think).

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/sa ... fe%20Haven

[The House of Petain]

I do not understand.

You made a generalization of NSG, then made that claim which i find hilarious.

Oh I see. Well okay then.

[The Emerald Legion]

No... no it's not more important.

It's that very shorthand that has LEAD to this. Words only mean what the listeners think they mean. So quite bluntly, no we don't need a clear rapid shorthand. In fact we need to get RID of the clear rapid shorthand and encourage actual discussion rather than just people throwing shitfits because their team lost.

It's not a game. We have goals and this insistence on treating ideas to solve the problems on the way to those goals like teams in a football game is harming people.

Yeah you're brushing aside much of what I said.

I once would have agreed with you. The problem is that the labels are there. .That's reality. Feminists, the pouplar movments right now in it, WANT the labels. I could do without them by personal preference and just call things freedom, equality, etc. But these people insist on defining anything that doesn't agree with their orthodoxy as misogyny or ignorance, and anyone who speaks up for men's issues is an MRA and a bad person, so tell m e: what would you do differently after you've spent years trying to reason with people who not only shout you down but try to destroy your reputation? Bow out of the discussion? Do a hamster wheel of trying to talk about values that are ingored? or would you accept that these people are your opponents and bring them down to size?

I am. Because it was utterly irrelevant.

And it is entirely possible to point out their hypocrisy and bullshit without descending into their own level of idiotic tribalism. It's not reality. It's a perception of it. Feminism is no more a law of nature than Slytherin is.

Refuse to acknowledge it and it goes away.

[Galloism]

ah.

thanks.

Doing a brief search, in most states either parent can leave the child, in 4 the mother or a person approved by the mother is the only parent who can leave the child (Georgia, Maryland (really?), Minnesota, and Tennessee.). In some only the custodial parent may leave the child (the best option I think).

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/sa ... fe%20Haven

Problem being in almost every one of those states, unmarried women who give birth are by default custodial parent, and there's no way for a father to become custodial parent until long after the window has closed.

It's sort of like how grandfather clauses were on their face race neutral, but due to a lopsided reality, resulted in mass disenfranchisement of black voting.

[Republic of Canador]

"Because all the feminists want to kill men!

That, and they get mad when I make shitty jokes like "I sexually identify as an attack helicopter" to berate transpeople!"

/s

Meh. I make jokes like that just to make fun of myself

[The Ben Boys]

And very liberal. What does that tell you?

Sexism is alive and well within the progressive community and with both genders. Seriously. Look at Bernie Sanders supporters.

Or Hillary Clinton. Or Obama.