UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Philjia]

The trade unions had turned into their new from of class- totally disconnected from the normal working man, unaware of the struggles brought on by striking, hell-bend on controlling British politics.
Their means to do so were eradicated. The recent strikes show that they are still allowed to, and do, perform industrial action.Of course people should have the right to strike- it is a democratic liberty, given to every member of our workforce outside of police/military, however this does not mean these people should be used as ammunition for a labour war.

I don't get what you want here? Get rid of any and all unions? But then how would workers organize industrial action?

They'd just have to organise themselves into some sort of group that protects worker's rights and organises strikes when needed. You could call it a "union".

[Souseiseki]

The trade unions had turned into their new from of class- totally disconnected from the normal working man, unaware of the struggles brought on by striking, hell-bend on controlling British politics.
Their means to do so were eradicated. The recent strikes show that they are still allowed to, and do, perform industrial action.Of course people should have the right to strike- it is a democratic liberty, given to every member of our workforce outside of police/military, however this does not mean these people should be used as ammunition for a labour war.

fucking lamadia here to tell us about the struggles of the normal working man lol

[Questers]

The trade unions had turned into their new from of class- totally disconnected from the normal working man, unaware of the struggles brought on by striking, hell-bend on controlling British politics.
Their means to do so were eradicated. The recent strikes show that they are still allowed to, and do, perform industrial action.Of course people should have the right to strike- it is a democratic liberty, given to every member of our workforce outside of police/military, however this does not mean these people should be used as ammunition for a labour war.

fucking lamadia here to tell us about the struggles of the normal working man lol

i dont know about you, but if Marija doesn't clean my drawers properly, I ALWAYS go on strike.

[Souseiseki]

do you actually know in which ways they are disconnected or are you just parroting things you heard other tories say

[Questers]

>moctina
>parroting

whoda thunk it

[Lamadia II]

I don't get what you want here? Get rid of any and all unions? But then how would workers organize industrial action?

They'd just have to organise themselves into some sort of group that protects worker's rights and organises strikes when needed. You could call it a "union".

Absolutely.
They can only strike, as they can now, with a majority vote. They must show they are trying to negotiate. They do not have to be paid full amount if they are striking.

[Olerand]

The capitalist-class has had immense power since the dawn of commercialism in Britain.

The only balance to this is organised labour. That doesn't just mean a bunch of lads in a steel mill, it just means ordinary people with jobs having a sense of collective consciousness and solidarity. It can apply for any job (not the police or armed forces, obviously.)

My personal experience of trade unions is that there far too many with their own vested interests who are focused on playing internal politics. When they're on your side, they're fantastic. But if they can't be bothered and provide little support, it's the waste of a due.

Which is why union membership needs to become ubiquitous. Everyone should aspire for Germanic levels of unionization. As unions become more and more popular, they become more pragmatic, resulting in unions like those in Germany which accept wage suppression for a certain amount of years in order to favor national competitiveness in hard economic times.

Unions are incredibly important, especially in our day and age where capital has almost annihilated labor power. But they need to be pragmatic enough to actually make a difference, and strong enough to matter.

[Rufford]

The trade unions had turned into their new from of class- totally disconnected from the normal working man, unaware of the struggles brought on by striking, hell-bend on controlling British politics.
Their means to do so were eradicated. The recent strikes show that they are still allowed to, and do, perform industrial action.Of course people should have the right to strike- it is a democratic liberty, given to every member of our workforce outside of police/military, however this does not mean these people should be used as ammunition for a labour war.

I don't get what you want here? Get rid of any and all unions? But then how would workers organize industrial action?

That is exactly what Lamadia dosn't want to happen because if people leaning left are dangerous communists then she must be a dangerous facist.

[Lamadia II]

do you actually know in which ways they are disconnected or are you just parroting things you heard other tories say

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

[Rufford]

do you actually know in which ways they are disconnected or are you just parroting things you heard other tories say

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

I don't think i can say what i want to say about you here...

[Philjia]

do you actually know in which ways they are disconnected or are you just parroting things you heard other tories say

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

The Unions were corrupt. Margaret Thatcher was a complete bastard who crippled the north of England. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

[Rufford]

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

The Unions were corrupt. Margaret Thatcher was a complete bastard who crippled the north of England. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

HERE FUCKING HERE

[Questers]

[Lamadia II]

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

I don't think i can say what i want to say about you here...

Then don't. The highlight of your conversation directed at me, is parroting things others have thrown at me, push them up into your own post, and try to shove it down my throat. It is not the basis for a good argument.

[Souseiseki]

do you actually know in which ways they are disconnected or are you just parroting things you heard other tories say

Shut up.
Look it up- many Union bosses had huge pay packages for that time, strikes were being organised often without full workers consent, and there were huge levels of advocated violence during the Miners Strike in the 1980s. Parroting fact is better than parroting propaganda.

oh i thought you were talking about now. the rhetoric about unions then and the rhetoic about unions now is practically the same so it's hard to tell.

[Questers]

L’argent n’a pas de patrie; les financiers n’ont pas de patriotisme et n’ont pas de décence; leur unique objectif est le gain.

-Omelette du Fromage
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[Eastfield Lodge]

They'd just have to organise themselves into some sort of group that protects worker's rights and organises strikes when needed. You could call it a "union".

Absolutely.
They can only strike, as they can now, with a majority vote. They must show they are trying to negotiate. They do not have to be paid full amount if they are striking.

What would you say is a reasonable amount to pay striking workers?

[Souseiseki]

leur unique objectif est le gain.

what's wrong with that tho -libertarianism

[Lamadia II]

Absolutely.
They can only strike, as they can now, with a majority vote. They must show they are trying to negotiate. They do not have to be paid full amount if they are striking.

What would you say is a reasonable amount to pay striking workers?

Half. If not less.
Not working=Not paying

[Olerand]

L’argent n’a pas de patrie; les financiers n’ont pas de patriotisme et n’ont pas de décence; leur unique objectif est le gain.

-Omelette du Fromage
+Leur unique objectif est le gain

leur unique objectif est le gain.
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It this a list of the pros and cons of Napoléon? Cons: From the country of the omelette de fromage. Pros: Speaks timeless truths?

[Rufford]

What would you say is a reasonable amount to pay striking workers?

Half. If not less.
Not working=Not paying

They arn't working because twats like you arn't fucking treating them correctly.

[Lamadia II]

Half. If not less.
Not working=Not paying

They arn't working because twats like you arn't fucking treating them correctly.

I don't care about their woes, I can negotiate them, or they can keep out on strike. But I am not paying them the full amount, not unless they are working.

[Questers]

L’argent n’a pas de patrie; les financiers n’ont pas de patriotisme et n’ont pas de décence; leur unique objectif est le gain.

-Omelette du Fromage
+Leur unique objectif est le gain

leur unique objectif est le gain.
leur unique objectif est le gain.
leur unique objectif est le gain.
leur unique objectif est le gain.
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It this a list of the pros and cons of Napoléon? Cons: From the country of the omelette de fromage. Pros: Speaks timeless truths?

there's a dexters lab episode where he tries to teach himself french while he sleeps with a machine but it stutters on omelette du fromage and its the only phrase he can say for the whole day

[Eastfield Lodge]

What would you say is a reasonable amount to pay striking workers?

Half. If not less.
Not working=Not paying

So the workers strike about poor pay and working conditions ... by not getting paid?
You say the right to strike is a democratic liberty, but I guess that's still too much for your little economic paradise, so you make it as unattractive as possible to strike.

[Rufford]

They arn't working because twats like you arn't fucking treating them correctly.

I don't care about their woes, I can negotiate them, or they can keep out on strike. But I am not paying them the full amount, not unless they are working.

In your eyes is a strike the same thing as a communist revolution?

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