UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Anywhere Else But Here]

In what climate would assault rifles ever be not-dangerous?

A a post-nuclear apocalypse one?

Surely the lawlessness and scarcity of basic necessities makes them more dangerous.

[Questers]

Arms are just tools. The only thing that matters is who has them.

[Hydesland]

It also matters how easily available they are, and fuck anything that makes arms more easily available to criminals and gangs.

[Questers]

FPO OUT FPO OUT FPO OUT FPO OUT

[Imperializt Russia]

On the subject of guns in Britain, I do think we should all have the right to defend ourselves, however by no means would I begin handing out firearms. Not only is it, as proven in the US, capable of fuelling crime, but in this current climate, assault rifles in circulation would be dangerous. However, if I were US President, I would not begin collecting guns based on the right of all Americans to bear arms.

Yes, it is a shame we don't live in a parliamentary democracy where the great unwashed have the right to elect a party they think will change things.

We already do have that right.

Not with lethal force (ie, with a firearm) except in response to lethal force (whereupon the legality of using a firearm is very grey).

As I figure it probably should be.

[Imperializt Russia]

It also matters how easily available they are, and fuck anything that makes arms more easily available to criminals and gangs.

Oh good then you see no issue with what we're discussing here.

[Elepis]

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wha?

[Questers]

If I remember correctly the law is based on reasonable belief, so if you reasonable believe that you are under threat you are entitled to use proportional threat in response to the threat you honestly believed you were under.

Personally I think if a chap enters my house uninvited with a weapon I should have the legal backing to blow him away if I see fit.

[Rufford]

In what climate would assault rifles ever be not-dangerous?

What would Stalin do?

[Souseiseki]

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Fareynikte Partizaner Organizatsye, World War II resistance organization in the Vilna ghetto
Field post office, British (or other) military post office
Fleet Post Office, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, or U.S. Coast Guard postal facility See also: Military mail
Florida Philharmonic Orchestra
Follow-on Public Offer (FPO), an issuance of stock subsequent to an IPO
For position only, in graphic design, label indicating placeholder graphics or text
FPO, IATA code for Grand Bahama International Airport
FPO mark, a fruit product certification mark in India
Frame pointer omission, a technique in compiler optimization
Flexible Polyolefin

[Questers]

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wha?

the dumb fascist assholes in austria lost.

now they can go back to their basements and cry.

[Questers]

ok sorry FPÖ do you really expect me to use the umlaut lol

[Elepis]

wha?

the dumb fascist assholes in austria lost.

now they can go back to their basements and cry.

oh the, I can''t agree more

[Souseiseki]

ok sorry FPÖ do you really expect me to use the umlaut lol

ja

[Vassenor]

If I remember correctly the law is based on reasonable belief, so if you reasonable believe that you are under threat you are entitled to use proportional threat in response to the threat you honestly believed you were under.

Personally I think if a chap enters my house uninvited with a weapon I should have the legal backing to blow him away if I see fit.

I believe it has to be reasonable to you and reasonable to a random person on the bus.

[Imperializt Russia]

wha?

the dumb fascist assholes in austria lost.

now they can go back to their basements and cry.

Bloody close though, thank fuck for postal votes.

Final tally, 50.7/49.3

[Questers]

If I remember correctly the law is based on reasonable belief, so if you reasonable believe that you are under threat you are entitled to use proportional threat in response to the threat you honestly believed you were under.

Personally I think if a chap enters my house uninvited with a weapon I should have the legal backing to blow him away if I see fit.

I believe it has to be reasonable to you and reasonable to a random person on the bus.

No, in this particular case it is the jury's acceptance of your reasonable belief, not the reasonable man standard (iirc).

[Vassenor]

I believe it has to be reasonable to you and reasonable to a random person on the bus.

No, in this particular case it is the jury's acceptance of your reasonable belief, not the reasonable man standard (iirc).

The jury, as ordinary members of the community, must decide the amount of force reasonable in the circumstances of the case. It is relevant that the defendant was under pressure from imminent attack and may not have had time to make entirely rational decisions, so the test must balance the objective standard of a reasonable person by attributing some of the subjective knowledge of the defendant, including what he had believed about the circumstances, even if they were mistaken.

[Questers]

Fair enough

[Souseiseki]

http://newsthump.com/2016/05/20/trexit- ... -klingons/

[Lamadia]

A victory for sanity; http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... five-years.
Councillors in Yorkshire have approved plans for fracking. Fracking is a massive industry- Britain is wasting billions on wind farms and so on. However important renewable energy is, the amount of money, the independence, shale gas can provide, could assure this country's energy industry for decades to come. We need more of this.

[Imperializt Russia]

A victory for sanity; http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... five-years.
Councillors in Yorkshire have approved plans for fracking. Fracking is a massive industry- Britain is wasting billions on wind farms and so on. However important renewable energy is, the amount of money, the independence, shale gas can provide, could assure this country's energy industry for decades to come. We need more of this.

Money on wind farms isn't "wasted". Just throwing that out there. There are better arguments against them, and even then, not against them entirely, just against the number we should have.

Fracking won't bring us energy independence, because if we make a serious go of it, OPEC will tank the oil price again and make it unprofitable. Again.

[Lamadia]

A victory for sanity; http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... five-years.
Councillors in Yorkshire have approved plans for fracking. Fracking is a massive industry- Britain is wasting billions on wind farms and so on. However important renewable energy is, the amount of money, the independence, shale gas can provide, could assure this country's energy industry for decades to come. We need more of this.

Money on wind farms isn't "wasted". Just throwing that out there. There are better arguments against them, and even then, not against them entirely, just against the number we should have.

Fracking won't bring us energy independence, because if we make a serious go of it, OPEC will tank the oil price again and make it unprofitable. Again.

Shale gas can reduce massively bill costs, making the energy industry in Britain more flushed with homegrown supply, makes us ever-less reliant on Russia (obviously, not entirely,) and can generate big jobs in small communities. Yorkshire should be happy.

[Imperializt Russia]

Money on wind farms isn't "wasted". Just throwing that out there. There are better arguments against them, and even then, not against them entirely, just against the number we should have.

Fracking won't bring us energy independence, because if we make a serious go of it, OPEC will tank the oil price again and make it unprofitable. Again.

Shale gas can reduce massively bill costs, making the energy industry in Britain more flushed with homegrown supply, makes us ever-less reliant on Russia (obviously, not entirely,) and can generate big jobs in small communities. Yorkshire should be happy.

There's a massive image problem, and rightfully so. No-one believes the pro-fracking community, because all they do is promise it'll all be fine and solve all our problems ever. They're worse than the Vote Leave campaign.
They fail to demonstrate this. They don't even try.

In some of the American fracking operations, studies after operation deduced that yeah, it was basically safe and not environmentally damaging (one groundwater contamination incident was due to the well being improperly fitted, which still doesn't inspire confidence, but the point is, it's not inherent).
Yet the companies don't seem at all willing to engage. Or point this out. Or really do their own public studies to try and assuage public fears.

They either outright don't care, or are just full of themselves.
Remember what happened last time we had companies like that in the UK? NIREX put nuclear waste management back at least thirty years.

[Valaran]

makes us ever-less reliant on Russia (obviously, not entirely,)

While I'm broadly pro-fracking, the only energy source we rely on Russia for is coal, which we are trying to reduce our usage of anyway. Fracking isn't needed to for energy security of this sort.