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Which of the following would you prefer to be the next leader of the Conservative Party?

Andrea Leadsom
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18%
Liam Fox
7
5%
Michael Gove
17
11%
Stephen Crabb
6
4%
Theresa May
38
25%
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
57
38%
 
Total votes : 152

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Postby Questers » Tue May 03, 2016 8:42 am

Olivaero wrote:Anyone know of any really recent polling for the London mayoral election and have a link to hand? Just wondering what effect all the Anti-semite stuff has actually had on Sadiq's chances, I get the feeling it actually isn't much and it hasn't had much effect on Labours numbers anywhere really but I'd like to see and a quick google doesn't seem to be aiding me.
If the polls have anything to say about it atm, it's gg.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/sa ... oral-race/
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Postby Olivaero » Tue May 03, 2016 8:49 am

Questers wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Anyone know of any really recent polling for the London mayoral election and have a link to hand? Just wondering what effect all the Anti-semite stuff has actually had on Sadiq's chances, I get the feeling it actually isn't much and it hasn't had much effect on Labours numbers anywhere really but I'd like to see and a quick google doesn't seem to be aiding me.
If the polls have anything to say about it atm, it's gg.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/sa ... oral-race/

yeah I've seen that one but I was wondering if there were any more recent I might of missed, 20 points is pretty insurmountable but I was wondering if anyone actually cared about the anti-semitism row or whether it was just a thing the media was talking about and people were not actually caring.
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Postby Kainesia » Tue May 03, 2016 8:54 am

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I'm honestly surprised the Tories haven't backed down on that yet. They've done so many u-turns in a year that another one wouldn't even damage the government. Now's the best time for it with everyone up in arms about Labour.

I think Cameron wants to wait till after the referendum, then get rid of Mr. Cunt i mean Hunt (OK i got that of private eye) and get Boris into health.


I think private eye got it from real life TBH. It wasn't one of their jokes.

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Postby Pachenstein » Tue May 03, 2016 9:00 am

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Actions speak louder than words. In fact, I'd love to see women strike over the pay gap because this issue that has been talked about for decades would likely be solved in less than a week.

I thing JR Doctors has been going on for more than a week.


They aren't half the workforce.
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Postby Rufford » Tue May 03, 2016 9:04 am

Olivaero wrote:Anyone know of any really recent polling for the London mayoral election and have a link to hand? Just wondering what effect all the Anti-semite stuff has actually had on Sadiq's chances, I get the feeling it actually isn't much and it hasn't had much effect on Labours numbers anywhere really but I'd like to see and a quick google doesn't seem to be aiding me.

Can't find any on YouGov.
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Postby Valaran » Tue May 03, 2016 9:16 am

Olivaero wrote:yeah I've seen that one but I was wondering if there were any more recent I might of missed, 20 points is pretty insurmountable but I was wondering if anyone actually cared about the anti-semitism row or whether it was just a thing the media was talking about and people were not actually caring.


It shouldn't have much of an impact, and Sadiq made sure to call Ken quite early on, which may have insulated him from a deal of the flak.

I care, but I won't change my vote on it.
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You're not now?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 03, 2016 10:10 am

Pachenstein wrote:
Rufford wrote:I thing JR Doctors has been going on for more than a week.


They aren't half the workforce.

Nor are women. Technically speaking.
https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/reports/lmp/ ... eport.aspx
I'd thought that market report had a breakdown of type of work by sex as well, but apparently not.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Tue May 03, 2016 10:20 am

Okay, so a quick Google search only shows up the top 3 links as from RT, the mirror and Unilad (lol) but apparently the Tories have broken a law in regards to the 2015 election. Does anybody know anything about this?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 03, 2016 10:20 am

The Matthew Islands wrote:Okay, so a quick Google search only shows up the top 3 links as from RT, the mirror and Unilad (lol) but apparently the Tories have broken a law in regards to the 2015 election. Does anybody know anything about this?


Presumably this is the thing about them overspending.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 03, 2016 10:23 am

The Matthew Islands wrote:Okay, so a quick Google search only shows up the top 3 links as from RT, the mirror and Unilad (lol) but apparently the Tories have broken a law in regards to the 2015 election. Does anybody know anything about this?

Systematic election overspending in a myriad of constituencies and failing to declare that expenditure that would cause them to have overspent.

That they probably have due to FOI requests was big news like three months ago. I assume this is "yeah, we've proved they had from the documents we already had".
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Postby New Benian Republic » Tue May 03, 2016 10:26 am

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Postby Communist EU » Tue May 03, 2016 10:30 am

Valaran wrote:
Olivaero wrote:yeah I've seen that one but I was wondering if there were any more recent I might of missed, 20 points is pretty insurmountable but I was wondering if anyone actually cared about the anti-semitism row or whether it was just a thing the media was talking about and people were not actually caring.


It shouldn't have much of an impact, and Sadiq made sure to call Ken quite early on, which may have insulated him from a deal of the flak.

I care, but I won't change my vote on it.


http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 03, 2016 10:36 am

Communist EU wrote:
Valaran wrote:
It shouldn't have much of an impact, and Sadiq made sure to call Ken quite early on, which may have insulated him from a deal of the flak.

I care, but I won't change my vote on it.


http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.

There's little evidence that there is a "Labour antisemitic problem", there is an antisemitism problem currently highlighted in Labour.

The two are different.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/co ... sm-7877493
Let us also not forget when the exact same thing afflicted the Tories in the 1980s.
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I'm not sure I should be laughing at that...
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Tue May 03, 2016 11:15 am

Communist EU wrote:
Valaran wrote:
It shouldn't have much of an impact, and Sadiq made sure to call Ken quite early on, which may have insulated him from a deal of the flak.

I care, but I won't change my vote on it.


http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.

Oh yeah, fantastic. The primary advocate for peace in the Israeli political system and the main opposition to much of Netanyhu's bullshit wants to disaffiliate. Let's replace them with 'drive em into the sea' Hamas.

The fact you've coined them 'Red Likud' shows how ignorant you are of the Israeli political system.
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Postby Valaran » Tue May 03, 2016 11:19 am

Communist EU wrote:
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.


I'm not entirely sure why you posted this in reply to my post, which primarily was about how the anti-semitism stuff might have affected Sadiq Khan's mayoral campaign... care to explain?
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Makes a nice change, I guess.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Tue May 03, 2016 11:59 am

Olivaero wrote:Anyone know of any really recent polling for the London mayoral election and have a link to hand? Just wondering what effect all the Anti-semite stuff has actually had on Sadiq's chances, I get the feeling it actually isn't much and it hasn't had much effect on Labours numbers anywhere really but I'd like to see and a quick google doesn't seem to be aiding me.

Speaking to fellow Labour activists in London, this election is pretty much wrapped up. The anti-semitism thing hasn't had much of an impact either way and if it does, the effect is not significant. Only people who care are Palestinian justice advocates with too much time on their hand really.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 03, 2016 12:01 pm

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Olivaero wrote:Anyone know of any really recent polling for the London mayoral election and have a link to hand? Just wondering what effect all the Anti-semite stuff has actually had on Sadiq's chances, I get the feeling it actually isn't much and it hasn't had much effect on Labours numbers anywhere really but I'd like to see and a quick google doesn't seem to be aiding me.

Speaking to fellow Labour activists in London, this election is pretty much wrapped up. The anti-semitism thing hasn't had much of an impact either way and if it does, the effect is not significant. Only people who care are Palestinian justice advocates with too much time on their hand really.

Wouldn't they logically be playing down anti-semitism?

Also, is it "wrapped up" as in Khan is still leading? What caused BoJo to slip from favour?
I wager it's his nasty turn over the EU.
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Postby Communist EU » Tue May 03, 2016 12:05 pm

Valaran wrote:
Communist EU wrote:
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.


I'm not entirely sure why you posted this in reply to my post, which primarily was about how the anti-semitism stuff might have affected Sadiq Khan's mayoral campaign... care to explain?

You care.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Tue May 03, 2016 12:08 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Speaking to fellow Labour activists in London, this election is pretty much wrapped up. The anti-semitism thing hasn't had much of an impact either way and if it does, the effect is not significant. Only people who care are Palestinian justice advocates with too much time on their hand really.

Wouldn't they logically be playing down anti-semitism?

Also, is it "wrapped up" as in Khan is still leading? What caused BoJo to slip from favour?
I wager it's his nasty turn over the EU.

Johnson isn't standing. It's Zac Goldsmith.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 03, 2016 12:09 pm

Are there term limits, or did he just decide to not be it anymore?

Also that makes more sense (now that I remember), since I've never seen anyone claim to unironically like Zac Goldsmith.
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Postby Communist EU » Tue May 03, 2016 12:10 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Communist EU wrote:
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/labo ... nt-buying/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how- ... -semitism/

Also, according to Jewish Chronicle, the red Likud party (Israeli Labour party), is considering cutting ties with the Britain's Labour party. Good.

Oh yeah, fantastic. The primary advocate for peace in the Israeli political system and the main opposition to much of Netanyhu's bullshit wants to disaffiliate. Let's replace them with 'drive em into the sea' Hamas.



Let's not. I never said they should be replaced by a 'drive them into the sea' Hamas,' you said that.

Wolfmanne2 wrote:The fact you've coined them 'Red Likud' shows how ignorant you are of the Israeli political system.

Israel has its own Blairites, and you're entitled to your own opinion on that.
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