UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Imperializt Russia]

Future leader of the Tory party, taking control of the party that actually brought gay marriage to the UK? If she were to take that stance, it'd be a disaster.

The interview was certainly in some relation to the leadership race - couldn't say at what actual stage.

You realise a majority of conservative supporters were against the bill right? And this electorate is made up of 100% conservatives?

Not the electorate of a future GE, to which I was referring.

Corbyn may well still have the support of the party. If his detractors would stop pussying about and actually mount a challenge we'd find out for sure.

I wish he would face a leadership challenge. I think he's unelectable.

He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

[Vassenor]

I wish he would face a leadership challenge. I think he's unelectable.

He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

Even the MPs trying to get rid of him admit that.

[Myrensis]

You realise a majority of conservative supporters were against the bill right? And this electorate is made up of 100% conservatives?

Not the electorate of a future GE, to which I was referring.

I wish he would face a leadership challenge. I think he's unelectable.

He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

And the Tories are rejoicing that there is no threat to their control for the foreseeable future.

[Dooom35796821595]

Not the electorate of a future GE, to which I was referring.
He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

And the Tories are rejoicing that there is no threat to their control for the foreseeable future.

They're just lucky were too British to have a revolution.

[Divitaen]

You realise a majority of conservative supporters were against the bill right? And this electorate is made up of 100% conservatives?

Not the electorate of a future GE, to which I was referring.

I wish he would face a leadership challenge. I think he's unelectable.

He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

Which is a shame because Corbyn lacks the support or confidence of the Parliamentary Party. He really ought to step aside if he was unable to rally the Labour voters to keep the UK in the EU because of his personal views and his personal history then the Parliamentary Party is right to lose confidence in his leadership. He needs to step down immediately.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not the electorate of a future GE, to which I was referring.
He is facing a leadership challenge, at some point.
He'll probably win.

Which is a shame because Corbyn lacks the support or confidence of the Parliamentary Party. He really ought to step aside if he was unable to rally the Labour voters to keep the UK in the EU because of his personal views and his personal history then the Parliamentary Party is right to lose confidence in his leadership. He needs to step down immediately.

70% of the labour base voted to Remain.
Is anything short of 90 now somehow unacceptable? Along with the Lib Dem base, it was the highest Remain proportion of all the major parties.

[Divitaen]

Which is a shame because Corbyn lacks the support or confidence of the Parliamentary Party. He really ought to step aside if he was unable to rally the Labour voters to keep the UK in the EU because of his personal views and his personal history then the Parliamentary Party is right to lose confidence in his leadership. He needs to step down immediately.

70% of the labour base voted to Remain.
Is anything short of 90 now somehow unacceptable? Along with the Lib Dem base, it was the highest Remain proportion of all the major parties.

It's not the number, its the messenger. He opposed joining the EU in the 70s and in 2015 he was very critical of the EU and the ECB, claiming the EU was responsible for the TPP and saying if Cameron succeeded in weakening EU labour laws he would support leaving the EU, which is not the kind of the tone you should strike when trying to desperately get the UK to stay in the EU.

[Baltenstein]

During the protests against same-sex marriage in 2013, Marine wisely stayed away, while allowing her more old-style conservative right-wing niece Marion (the FN's #3) to participate.

How is she #3 of the FN? Isn't she like 25 years old? Or is the Le Pen family name enough to secure a place in the upper party echelon?

[Imperializt Russia]

During the protests against same-sex marriage in 2013, Marine wisely stayed away, while allowing her more old-style conservative right-wing niece Marion (the FN's #3) to participate.

How is she #3 of the FN? Isn't she like 25 years old? Or is the Le Pen family name enough to secure a place in the upper party echelon?

Almost certainly the latter.

[Questers]

How is she #3 of the FN? Isn't she like 25 years old? Or is the Le Pen family name enough to secure a place in the upper party echelon?

Almost certainly the latter.

yo should read my fb status~

[Questers]

But France has élan. All you need is élan

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Orchards.

As well as an actual air-craft carrier, the political will to engage abroad, and the political desire -we're trying, haven't succeeded yet but we're trying- to have Germany pay for our military excursions.

And what on earth did I just watch?

tbf QE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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CDG

she is nearly ready soon

[Imperializt Russia]

Almost certainly the latter.

yo should read my fb status~

In what was surely a deception* of your own, it appeared at the top of my news feed when I went to look.

*the status was an article talking about deception and Iraq.

[Questers]

i prefer maskirovka

[Imperializt Russia]

I assume you have actually read parts of Chilcot then?

[Questers]

i read summaries of the "key points" i mean like

i will read it all eventually but chilcot's key points are sufficient

[Vassenor]

Scottish Tory leader invites Andrea Leadsom to her wedding amid gay marriage row

[Imperializt Russia]

Scottish Tory leader invites Andrea Leadsom to her wedding amid gay marriage row

I was hoping it was a troll.

Greatly saddened to learn it isn't.

[Divitaen]

Scottish Tory leader invites Andrea Leadsom to her wedding amid gay marriage row

Oh god did Davidson seriously call Theresay May a "champion for LGBT equality"??

Wtf is happening to this world, this is just sad. May and Leadsom are both self-pronounced anti-gay bigots.

[Wolfmanne2]

LEADSOM!

Am I the only person in this thread who has a vote in this?


Also 2-0 Tories in the not a white male PM stakes. All the progressive SJW affirmative action neo feminist women need a leg up and can't do it for themselves women only shortlist parties can eat it.

Alright, I'll address this for you.

The funny thing about this issue is that it occurs because of Labour being more democratic than the Tories. Cameron was able to impose his A list and parachute women and people from minority backgrounds into safe and winnable marginal seats. Labour, in contrast, is pretty much reliant upon the democratic process. We can impose all-women shortlists and all-BAME shortlists have started to be used to counter regressive attitudes (I had someone at my CLP meeting propose that we appoint a 'Men's Officer', which pretty much the lack of understanding there exists in regards to gender equality).

In regards to the leadership election, it's clear that plenty of Corbynites have a regressive attitude; we had two perfectly capable women - a former Chief Secretary of the Treasury, a former Secretary of Work and Pension, a former Shadow Foreign Secretary and the serving Shadow Home Secretary at the time in the case of Yvette Cooper, whilst in Liz Kendall we had someone with plenty of real life experience mixed with stints in advisory positions to Cabinet ministers and someone who, out of all candidates was the most in-touch with the sort of voters we need to win back - those who left Labour in 2010 and 2015 and voted Tory or UKIP.

The problem obviously was the Corbynist surge. We had a segment of the population with a certain political slant take over our party and vote for a candidate that they could transpose their views onto (Corbyn). They could ignore the arguments about the necessity for a woman leader, the arguments that had emerged in 'the bubble', as a cynic might put it.

Even so, a problem still emerges; no woman has ever finished above a man in a Labour leadership election. Women MPs in Labour still face horrific abuse, particularly from Corbynists - remember how people like Stella Creasy were treated over the Syria vote, or how Jess Phillips has had her views misrepresented (a note, you all hate her because you all decided to listen to Ostroeuropa and have him misrepresent what she had done; having read her articles in Progress, a Labour magazine, she is far from the man-hating radfem you all think she is and has in fact campaigned for men's issues). This isn't just exclusive to the 98% of Labour women on the front-line of Labour politics whom have received sexist abuse online; the Fabians have found that 28% of ordinary Labour women have received sexist abuse online. So yes, plenty of issues exist in regards to women in the party, and I have not even gotten to BAME issues lol...

Oh yeah, except from the A list, we're still better at equality than the Tories .

[Imperializt Russia]

I'd argue that a woman in the top job is much less important than many women in senior positions. Such as, say, Corbyn's 50%+1 (original) female Shadow Cabinet.
I don't doubt there has been gendered abuse. I disagree that "Corbynites" that engage in abuse are inherently misogynistic - after all, we're either social justice warriors or misogynists, can't have it both ways.

What I think the problem has been is the absolute hard-line social media activists (which all affiliations have, sadly the far left attracts more, and seemingly more ardent ones, and it saddens me so) who are so heavily ideologically opposed to anyone who isn't Corbyn that they would, and do, hurl abuse at anyone who isn't Corbyn.
In the case of female MPs and party members and public figures against Corbyn, there certainly will be some misogynists, but I feel a significant part of gendered abuse (ie, that used by most people engaging in gendered abuse) is simply because gender and political affiliation are the two most prominent aspects of a public figure, unless race is involved. Women don't seem at all hesitant to engage in gendered abuse against other women, after all.

I also still don't know what was supposed to be the problem with Jess Philips.

[Questers]

I'd argue that a woman in the top job is much less important than many women in senior positions. Such as, say, Corbyn's 50%+1 (original) female Shadow Cabinet.

this is my position precisely.

[Vassenor]

Scottish Tory leader invites Andrea Leadsom to her wedding amid gay marriage row

I was hoping it was a troll.

Greatly saddened to learn it isn't.

Openly lesbian MP invites openly anti-same sex marriage MP to her same-sex wedding for no other reason than to annoy her?

[Imperializt Russia]

I was hoping it was a troll.

Greatly saddened to learn it isn't.

Openly lesbian MP invites openly anti-same sex marriage MP to her same-sex wedding for no other reason than to annoy her?

Except that's not what's technically happened.

She squirmed over Leadsom's views and when finally pressed said "well, if she became party leader (and therefore PM), then of course she'd get an invite, because she'd be the PM/Party Leader."

[Questers]

we won't go back on our current LGBT laws.

whatever politician wants to, the country won't let them.

[Val Halla]

we won't go back on our current LGBT laws.

whatever politician wants to, the country won't let them.

Yeah but they'd not where they need to be, and clearly no progress will be made this way

Plus, there's no guarantee of that actually being so. They could easily bring in laws that don't directly attack LGBT people but obviously do them indirectly.