UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Great Nepal]

You mean to suggest British PM is as elected as EU commissioners are!? Blasphemy; we all know Great Britain is epitome of democracy and commissioners are unaccountable.

EU Commissioners have been about as democratically elected as British PMs for the past 18 months or so, I agree.

You mean since we started having British prime ministers accountable to parliament, and EU started having commissioners?

[HMS Vanguard]

EU Commissioners have been about as democratically elected as British PMs for the past 18 months or so, I agree.

You mean since we started having British prime ministers accountable to parliament, and EU started having commissioners?

British PMs have been nominated by the House of Commons for about 200 years. The President of the EU Commission has been nominated by the EU Parliament for about 18 months (maybe 20 months).

[Salandriagado]

Causing trouble is not a good thing in any way.

It's the only way progress is ever made.

Not even slightly. Progress happens best in situations of stability. Instability is shit on every level.

[HMS Vanguard]

It's the only way progress is ever made.

Not even slightly. Progress happens best in situations of stability. Instability is shit on every level.

Which is why Qing China colonised America and invented the steam engine.

[Britanno 2]

So apparently Philip Hammond could be heading to the Treasury. How exciting.

[Great Nepal]

You mean since we started having British prime ministers accountable to parliament, and EU started having commissioners?

British PMs have been nominated by the House of Commons for about 200 years. The President of the EU Commission has been nominated by the EU Parliament for about 18 months (maybe 20 months).

Didn't know it had been 18 months since 1993.

[Salandriagado]

Not even slightly. Progress happens best in situations of stability. Instability is shit on every level.

Which is why Qing China colonised America and invented the steam engine.

The colonisation of America was built on the back of one of the most stable political systems that had ever existed. The steam engine (ignoring Hero of Alexandria) was invented in one of the most politically stable countries ever to have existed.

[HMS Vanguard]

Which is why Qing China colonised America and invented the steam engine.

The colonisation of America was built on the back of one of the most stable political systems that had ever existed. The steam engine (ignoring Hero of Alexandria) was invented in one of the most politically stable countries ever to have existed.

The UK was absurdly unstable during the period when the American colonisation and the industrial revolution began. The instability that birthed a new system, that was capable of colonising America and inventing steam engines.

[Wolfmanne2]

So apparently Philip Hammond could be heading to the Treasury. How exciting.

Good. He's reassuringly boring, so probably won't shake things up to much.

[Imperializt Russia]

Doesn't anybody else find INCREDIBLY ironic that Britain, having left the EU over slogans against the "evil unelected undemocratic EU commission", is getting a new PM not through an election, not even through a public debate at a party meeting, but just by a "hey I'm leaving" "I want No.10, no wait actually not" "Ok then this leaves me" process?

British liberty has been restored.

'Staff have been given the option to fill vacancies at a new factory it will open in Dusseldorf. Forterra blamed its decision to temporarily shut its plants on “current economic uncertainty”.

Wait, wait, wait...they are offering the very people who voted in favor of Brexit a job in a EU country?

err no

If you care to re-read it, it points out that workers in Poole, predominantly EU nationals, now feel unwelcome in Poole, presumably as a result of anti-EU racial sentiments after the vote.
Lush, amidst more general financial concerns, is opening a new factory in Dusseldorf anyway, and is offering to shift these EU nationals there.

[Salandriagado]

The colonisation of America was built on the back of one of the most stable political systems that had ever existed. The steam engine (ignoring Hero of Alexandria) was invented in one of the most politically stable countries ever to have existed.

The UK was absurdly unstable during the period when the American colonisation and the industrial revolution began. The instability that birthed a new system, that was capable of colonising America and inventing steam engines.

Erm, what? The UK wasn't the main force behind driving American colonisation: that would be Spain (ruled by the Habsburgs, absurdly stable), and Portugal (again, crazy stable). The UK followed along long after. The steam engine was invented either before or after (depending on your definitions) one of the least disruptive political changes on that scale ever. It was put into practical application in the following centuries of stability.

[HMS Vanguard]

The UK drove American colonisation that mattered. I will grant Spain was very stable - in the 1920s it was a very similar society to Spain in the 1720s and consequently completely irrelevant.

[Souseiseki]

In 2007, May said Gordon Brown lacked the "democratic mandate" to lead after his coronation

lol

[Vassenor]

In 2007, May said Gordon Brown lacked the "democratic mandate" to lead after his coronation

lol

IRONY

[Imperializt Russia]

In 2007, May said Gordon Brown lacked the "democratic mandate" to lead after his coronation

lol

Shame May's taking over after PMQ's because that'd make for a lovely inaugural roast.

[Salandriagado]

In 2007, May said Gordon Brown lacked the "democratic mandate" to lead after his coronation

lol

Honestly, her speech today read like someone who is trying to curry favour with voters ready for a general election to me. She could just be hedging a bet, but some kind of election while Labour is wrapped up in internal problems could very much be on the cards.

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the ... 31081.html

May "a hypocrite" if she doesn't immediately call a snap election, some guy writing in the Independent.

[Arkolon]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-prime-minister-conservative-leader-angela-leadsom-withdraws-immediate-general-election-a7131081.html

May "a hypocrite" if she doesn't immediately call a snap election, some guy writing in the Independent.

It's probably positive for her party anyway, isn't it?

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-prime-minister-conservative-leader-angela-leadsom-withdraws-immediate-general-election-a7131081.html

May "a hypocrite" if she doesn't immediately call a snap election, some guy writing in the Independent.

It's probably positive for her party anyway, isn't it?

Probably, they've spent six years gaming the system so even if Labour weren't falling apart they'd comfortably win anyway.

[Risottia]

In 2007, May said Gordon Brown lacked the "democratic mandate" to lead after his coronation

lol

IRONY

As Iffy already put it, COBALTY.
Seriously, I'm afraid that with Brexit, we Italians have again taken our ancient place as "EU member with the most ludicrous excuses for politicians".

[The Nihilistic view]

Doesn't anybody else find INCREDIBLY ironic that Britain, having left the EU over slogans against the "evil unelected undemocratic EU commission", is getting a new PM not through an election, not even through a public debate at a party meeting, but just by a "hey I'm leaving" "I want No.10, no wait actually not" "Ok then this leaves me" process?

No prime minister is elected by the country. A GE is the election of mnay local representatives to carry out a party manifesto.

[Souseiseki]

Doesn't anybody else find INCREDIBLY ironic that Britain, having left the EU over slogans against the "evil unelected undemocratic EU commission", is getting a new PM not through an election, not even through a public debate at a party meeting, but just by a "hey I'm leaving" "I want No.10, no wait actually not" "Ok then this leaves me" process?

No prime minister is elected by the country. A GE is the election of mnay local representatives to carry out a party manifesto.

how do you feel about how the media and conservatives (like may) slammed gordon brown as "unelected" and not having a "democratic mandate"?

[Geilinor]

Doesn't anybody else find INCREDIBLY ironic that Britain, having left the EU over slogans against the "evil unelected undemocratic EU commission", is getting a new PM not through an election, not even through a public debate at a party meeting, but just by a "hey I'm leaving" "I want No.10, no wait actually not" "Ok then this leaves me" process?

No prime minister is elected by the country. A GE is the election of mnay local representatives to carry out a party manifesto.

No European commission is elected by the public. A European commission is the outcome of appointments by elected national governments.

[The Nihilistic view]

No prime minister is elected by the country. A GE is the election of mnay local representatives to carry out a party manifesto.

how do you feel about how the media and conservatives (like may) slammed gordon brown as "unelected" and not having a "democratic mandate"?

I think that was an unconservative shit on the constitution. Unfortunate though not unexpected these days.

[Great Nepal]

Doesn't anybody else find INCREDIBLY ironic that Britain, having left the EU over slogans against the "evil unelected undemocratic EU commission", is getting a new PM not through an election, not even through a public debate at a party meeting, but just by a "hey I'm leaving" "I want No.10, no wait actually not" "Ok then this leaves me" process?

No prime minister is elected by the country. A GE is the election of mnay local representatives to carry out a party manifesto.

So what do you say to those who claimed EU was fundamentally undemocratic because their commissioners were unelected by the public, merely voted in by elected EU parliament?