UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Questers]

but real talk i'm so fucking annoyed labour can't stop trying to backstab, depose and undermine their leader at every turn that even when the country is going through a momentous shitstorm they STILL default to "must... kill... corbyn...!"

it's mega dumb.

i was really pro corbyn at the start, then i started to cool off. but trying to get him out NOW -- of ALL times is really fucking stupid and shortsighted and typically parliamentary labour party. corbyn's the leader. the blairites should get onboard and join the fucking cabinet and work with him to hammer the tories. now of all times when they're at their weakest. now of all times when there could be an election and labour could actually fucking win it.

if there's an election in 16 or 17 and the tories win it's the PLP that we have to blame for it. if there's an election in 2020 and we lose we can blame corbyn.

[Questers]

http://order-order.com/2016/06/26/labour-coup/

Welcome back to Wolfmanne's coverage of the UK's political omnishambles. Back to Labour... apparently, McDonnell is making maneuvers.

If true, not surprised, I always thought McDonnell would backstab Corbyn at some point. The thing about Corbyn he is effectively at the right-wing end of the hard left. To use an analogy, he is a Menshevik, to McDonnell's Bolshevism.

Corbyn simply is not that a competent person. Everything I read about his party and leadership just seems to show to me he depends entirely on those around him for direction and opinion like the barely more competent Seumas Milne or Tom Watson. Its not so much he's a Menshevik. I don't think there's much of a real distinction between them. I just think he doesn't have the nous to articulate that extremism beyond platitudes about human decency and ordinary working people.

you know when i was new to my job my colleagues and superiors helped me to get better.

they didn't fire me.

[Questers]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/19/iain-duncan-smiths-replacement-at-the-dwp-criticised-for-past-links-to-gay-cure-group/

Quick reminder for those who may fall in love with the 'social justice' Tory. Also, Ostro will like this guy. Just watch. He talks about the 'white working class' a lot, so of course he'll embrace him. That toxifies him even more. Do not fall in love with this guy.

wasn't it you who told me to not be offensive the last time i criticised crabb for being a christian fundamentalist

or was that someone else?

edit: yes it was.

Stephen Crabb's views on life and ethics are also influenced extremely strongly by his imaginary friend, so he should definitely not be included.

Is there really any need for a dig on his faith?

Kind reminder that Tim Farron's politics are informed by his faith, as is Labour leftist Cat Smith. It's not as simple as 'he's a Christian so he hates gays'.

[Ariasteppe]

but real talk i'm so fucking annoyed labour can't stop trying to backstab, depose and undermine their leader at every turn that even when the country is going through a momentous shitstorm they STILL default to "must... kill... corbyn...!"

If they oust Corbyn and install another fucking Blairite in power, I'm unregistering as a Labour member. A few of my friends on social media are calling this the Blue Wedding lol.

[Wolfmanne2]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/19/iain-duncan-smiths-replacement-at-the-dwp-criticised-for-past-links-to-gay-cure-group/

Quick reminder for those who may fall in love with the 'social justice' Tory. Also, Ostro will like this guy. Just watch. He talks about the 'white working class' a lot, so of course he'll embrace him. That toxifies him even more. Do not fall in love with this guy.

wasn't it you who told me to not be offensive the last time i criticised crabb for being a christian fundamentalist

or was that someone else?

edit: yes it was.

Is there really any need for a dig on his faith?

Kind reminder that Tim Farron's politics are informed by his faith, as is Labour leftist Cat Smith. It's not as simple as 'he's a Christian so he hates gays'.

You described God as an 'imaginary friend', which is a very insulting thing to say. He's more than an 'imaginary friend' to me and the idea that the so-called 'imaginary friend' commands me to hate gays is ridiculous. People interpret scripture in many ways, to be it is the foundation of my socialist politics in the same manner as R.H. Tawney.

but real talk i'm so fucking annoyed labour can't stop trying to backstab, depose and undermine their leader at every turn that even when the country is going through a momentous shitstorm they STILL default to "must... kill... corbyn...!"

If they oust Corbyn and install another fucking Blairite in power, I'm unregistering as a Labour member. A few of my friends on social media are calling this the Blue Wedding lol.

kden, you won't be missed.

[Questers]

Surprisingly, I also believe in God, just not yours.

It was a facetious comment. A facetious comment with a serious note.

[Wolfmanne2]

Surprisingly, I also believe in God, just not yours.

It was a facetious comment. A facetious comment with a serious note.

I didn't see the funny side of it, but I'm not going to argue the point.

[Kelinfort]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

[Wolfmanne2]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

Last poll had them at 10%. I think they could take some seats in the single digits. However, an area where a revival would have been key to them, South West England, overwhelmingly voted Brexit. So it's hard to say. I think they could make gains in South West London.

[Questers]

No.

[Souseiseki]

day 3 of poor george being missing. hope they find him soon.

[Valaran]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

lol no

[Kelinfort]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

Last poll had them at 10%. I think they could take some seats in the single digits. However, an area where a revival would have been key to them, South West England, overwhelmingly voted Brexit. So it's hard to say. I think they could make gains in South West London.

Especially if the Tories have a leadership battle and Corbyn remains as head of Labour.

[Arkolon]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

Last poll had them at 10%. I think they could take some seats in the single digits. However, an area where a revival would have been key to them, South West England, overwhelmingly voted Brexit. So it's hard to say. I think they could make gains in South West London.

Out of curiosity, from your sig, what makes you think the UK can stay in the European single market

[Questers]

day 3 of poor george being missing. hope they find him soon.

assuming you mean gideon he's probably coked up atm

i imagine it to be like that scene out of DOWNFALL where the russians are on the doorstep and all the nazis are partying hard

[Kelinfort]

Anyone think the Liberal Democrats can do very well next election with a EU return platform?

lol no

Why not?

[Questers]

what i want to know is where lamadia is. this whole affair is really lacking in comedy

[Britanno 2]

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but real talk i'm so fucking annoyed labour can't stop trying to backstab, depose and undermine their leader at every turn that even when the country is going through a momentous shitstorm they STILL default to "must... kill... corbyn...!"

I don't know what your situation is but if I had to take a guess, I'd say you're not one of the millions of people going to food banks or on zero hours contracts. Those are the people being screwed over by Corbyn because the Tories will win as long as he is in power, and it is those people that caused most of Labour's MPs to get into politics in the first place. When they make a move against Corbyn they do it because they know who's losing out because he's leader. The default of "must kill Corbyn" is in place because that's the only way to help the millions of people in poverty.

you know when i was new to my job my colleagues and superiors helped me to get better.

they didn't fire me.

What was your job? Was it making sure people didn't have to choose between heating their house at winter and feeding their kids? Because if it was and you weren't very good at it I'd have fired you on the spot.

it's mega dumb.

i was really pro corbyn at the start, then i started to cool off. but trying to get him out NOW -- of ALL times is really fucking stupid and shortsighted and typically parliamentary labour party. corbyn's the leader. the blairites should get onboard and join the fucking cabinet and work with him to hammer the tories. now of all times when they're at their weakest. now of all times when there could be an election and labour could actually fucking win it.

if there's an election in 16 or 17 and the tories win it's the PLP that we have to blame for it. if there's an election in 2020 and we lose we can blame corbyn.

How can you so easily ignore the result of last year's election? The Tories employed character assassination tactics against Ed Miliband, what do you think they'll do to Corbyn? His election was an early Christmas for Lynton Crosby.

There is absolutely no chance Labour can win an election with Corbyn. It would take Boris Johnson taking a dump on a starving African child on live television for Labour to win.

[Wolfmanne2]

Last poll had them at 10%. I think they could take some seats in the single digits. However, an area where a revival would have been key to them, South West England, overwhelmingly voted Brexit. So it's hard to say. I think they could make gains in South West London.

Out of curiosity, from your sig, what makes you think the UK can stay in the European single market

The fact that 48% of the country voted Remain and that many Leave voters did not vote for a Brexit that'll destroy the British economy. There is no mandate for a 'hardcore Brexit'. Also, as a Londoner, I feel that, as my city overwhelmingly voted Remain, London's interests should be put at the forefront of any agreement and that includes access to the single market, which is essential for the financial sector.

[Questers]

London's interests should be put at the forefront of any agreement

This is literally the reason why:
1. Labour suffered a massive defeat
2. Brexit won

[Souseiseki]

I don't know what your situation is but if I had to take a guess, I'd say you're not one of the millions of people going to food banks or on zero hours contracts. Those are the people being screwed over by Corbyn because the Tories will win as long as he is in power, and it is those people that caused most of Labour's MPs to get into politics in the first place. When they make a move against Corbyn they do it because they know who's losing out because he's leader. The default of "must kill Corbyn" is in place because that's the only way to help the millions of people in poverty.

oh don't give me this bs. do you seriously think getting some prick to go "well the tories are actually pretty much right on everything except we want to go a little slower than them" is the saviour that will protect the victims of the shit they're about to cut?

[Valaran]

Why not?

people don't give a shit about us

The lib dems had a few things going for them, but our grassroots links were normally with Brexit voting places, and there are bigger protest parties now. Our leader is not really that interested in capturing the national eye, and I doubt many will swap over on the basis of Brexit voting. I just don't see a reason for people suddenly care about us again - Liberalism is basically not in vogue.

[Souseiseki]

hardcore brexit sounds like something teresa may wants to ban

[Wolfmanne2]

London's interests should be put at the forefront of any agreement

This is literally the reason why:
1. Labour suffered a massive defeat
2. Brexit won

Irrelevant. It's my city, my future. The rest of the country sacrificed my city, so I do not care.

[Questers]

What was your job? Was it making sure people didn't have to choose between heating their house at winter and feeding their kids? Because if it was and you weren't very good at it I'd have fired you on the spot.

A Labour "All stars" cabinet with the big name blairites, corbyn and those in the middle would have:
1. PLP popularity
2. Party popularity
3. Public popularity
It would be then up to them to work together and present a compromise platform between the two branches of the Party that could storm an election, especially at a time when Tories are on the run.

But no. We gotta get rid of Corbyn because he doesn't agree with PFI.