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Which of the following would you prefer to be the next leader of the Conservative Party?

Andrea Leadsom
27
18%
Liam Fox
7
5%
Michael Gove
17
11%
Stephen Crabb
6
4%
Theresa May
38
25%
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
57
38%
 
Total votes : 152

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Postby Elepis » Fri May 20, 2016 8:56 am

Lamadia wrote:
Elepis wrote:
I don't see why it is a problem to have warning on packages.

I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.


That's what I meant, if you still know what brand you are getting but also information is out there to discourage people from smoking, why is it a problem?
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B: Religion being taken seriously
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 8:56 am

I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 20, 2016 8:58 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:That seems like quite a bizarre logic train to me. I'm not following.

The idea is that one's brain comes to associate the graphic warnings with the relief/pleasure of smoking, so seeing the images will cause you to anticipate a hit of nicotine.


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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Fri May 20, 2016 9:00 am

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Ifreann wrote:I've heard it suggested that the graphic pictorial warnings actually encourage people to smoke. As in, as much as no one likes looking at things like Moustachio and his manky neck tumour*, seeing it every time they smoke gets a Pavlovian thing going on, and thus seeing those images makes people want to smoke.


*I sell fags, so I get to see that and other such delights on a regular basis.


I just ask for a "Smoking while pregnant may harm your baby." pack. :)

I've heard some expecting mothers, especially teenage ones, refuse to give up smoking, saying that the smaller baby [as a result of smoking] would be easier to give birth to...

You can't fight stupidity on that scale.
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Postby Lamadia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:01 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?

NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:11 am

Lamadia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?

NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.
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Postby Lamadia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:14 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia wrote:NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 20, 2016 9:15 am

Lamadia wrote:
Elepis wrote:
I don't see why it is a problem to have warning on packages.

I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.
You don't need British citizenship to vote in the referendum. There's some half a million Irish people that'll be able to vote. Why them and not, say, Dutch people in similar situations?

I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

Chill out, kid, I'm not suggesting anything about you. I am asking why the UK allows some non-citizens to vote, but not others. Can I take it from your post that you don't think that Irish citizens should be allowed to vote in this referendum? If so, does that also apply to Commonwealth citizens?
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And our work is never done
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And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:21 am

Lamadia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri May 20, 2016 9:22 am

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Postby Vassenor » Fri May 20, 2016 9:24 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia wrote:This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".


This is sounding like it's at risk of becoming another "democracy is only valid when my side wins" situation, if you ask me.
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Postby Lamadia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
Lamadia wrote:I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.

I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

Chill out, kid, I'm not suggesting anything about you. I am asking why the UK allows some non-citizens to vote, but not others. Can I take it from your post that you don't think that Irish citizens should be allowed to vote in this referendum? If so, does that also apply to Commonwealth citizens?

Of course it applies to Commonwealth citizens. They aren't British.
Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia wrote:This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:29 am

Souseiseki wrote:tories suspiciously fervent about disenfranchising the irish

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:31 am

Lamadia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.

Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.
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Postby Lamadia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:35 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia wrote:Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.

Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.

No, rectify your understanding. Quite simple.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:39 am

Lamadia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.

No, rectify your understanding. Quite simple.

I'm trying, but you won't let me.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri May 20, 2016 9:41 am

I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.

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Postby Valaran » Fri May 20, 2016 9:45 am

Napkiraly wrote:I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.


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Postby Napkiraly » Fri May 20, 2016 9:47 am

Valaran wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.


Begone with thee, migrant!

Funnily enough, I actually leave on the day of the referendum. :P

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 am

Lamadia wrote:I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

This is probably the crux of misunderstanding, and is the product of you either mistyping (which from your subsequent posts it seems you didn't) or a peculiar interpretation of "xenophobia".

The interpretation of your statement here is, "if I said non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote, that makes me a xenophobe"

Hence why I said I was, and say I still am, completely lost. The statement is simply bizarre.
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Postby Valaran » Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Begone with thee, migrant!

Funnily enough, I actually leave on the day of the referendum. :P


Got the hint, eh? :p

You're coming back though, right?
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 20, 2016 9:49 am

Souseiseki wrote:tories suspiciously fervent about disenfranchising the irish


Can you blame them? Our plastic Paddies are bad enough here. I can only imagine how awful the real ones are.
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Postby Elepis » Fri May 20, 2016 9:50 am

Lamadia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.


REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
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Postby Valaran » Fri May 20, 2016 9:51 am

Elepis wrote:REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us


*eyes narrow*
What's that colour on your flag Elepis?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 20, 2016 9:53 am

Valaran wrote:
Elepis wrote:REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us


*eyes narrow*
What's that colour on your flag Elepis?

I see a bit of red in your flag Val.

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