UK Politics Thread III: Thready McThreadface (+ Jo Cox)

[Elepis]

I don't see why it is a problem to have warning on packages.

I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.

That's what I meant, if you still know what brand you are getting but also information is out there to discourage people from smoking, why is it a problem?

[Imperializt Russia]

I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?

[Ifreann]

That seems like quite a bizarre logic train to me. I'm not following.

The idea is that one's brain comes to associate the graphic warnings with the relief/pleasure of smoking, so seeing the images will cause you to anticipate a hit of nicotine.

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there's only so many ways you can say THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR LUNGS AND GIVE YOU CANCER IDIOT WHY WOULD YOU EVEN before it gets boring

That's probably why they added the "THIS WILL MAKE YOUR MICKEY DROOP. HOW ABOUT THAT, EH?" one.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I've heard it suggested that the graphic pictorial warnings actually encourage people to smoke. As in, as much as no one likes looking at things like Moustachio and his manky neck tumour*, seeing it every time they smoke gets a Pavlovian thing going on, and thus seeing those images makes people want to smoke.


*I sell fags, so I get to see that and other such delights on a regular basis.

I just ask for a "Smoking while pregnant may harm your baby." pack.

I've heard some expecting mothers, especially teenage ones, refuse to give up smoking, saying that the smaller baby [as a result of smoking] would be easier to give birth to...

You can't fight stupidity on that scale.

[Lamadia]

I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?

NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think you misread.

He was pointing out that Irish, who do not hold British citizenship, are still permitted to vote in the referendum.
Iffy assumes you were aware of this, or now that you are, don't oppose the Irish being able to vote.

He asks, since the Irish can but don't have citizenship here, why can't EU citizens who reside here vote?

NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

[Lamadia]

NO.
He assumes incorrectly. Why would he assume that? Why would he assume I think the Irish should be allowed to vote, but not the Dutch? You misread my post.

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

[Ifreann]

I don't see why it is a problem to have warning on packages.

I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.

You don't need British citizenship to vote in the referendum. There's some half a million Irish people that'll be able to vote. Why them and not, say, Dutch people in similar situations?

I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

Chill out, kid, I'm not suggesting anything about you. I am asking why the UK allows some non-citizens to vote, but not others. Can I take it from your post that you don't think that Irish citizens should be allowed to vote in this referendum? If so, does that also apply to Commonwealth citizens?

[Imperializt Russia]

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

[Souseiseki]

tories suspiciously fervent about disenfranchising the irish

[Vassenor]

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

This is sounding like it's at risk of becoming another "democracy is only valid when my side wins" situation, if you ask me.

[Lamadia]

I am sorry, I assumed everybody here watched the news, or read newspapers. My mistake.
No, it is eradicating entirely all logos & branding, other than the brand time in tiny lettering. I think, although warnings should be on packets, plain packaging is silly and treats the electorate like idiots.

I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

Chill out, kid, I'm not suggesting anything about you. I am asking why the UK allows some non-citizens to vote, but not others. Can I take it from your post that you don't think that Irish citizens should be allowed to vote in this referendum? If so, does that also apply to Commonwealth citizens?

Of course it applies to Commonwealth citizens. They aren't British.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.

[Imperializt Russia]

tories suspiciously fervent about disenfranchising the irish

[Imperializt Russia]

And yet they're permitted to vote in general elections, which is precisely the franchise the referendum will use.

So why exclude them now?
I don't see how expanding the list of people who live here or are affected who are permitted to vote can possibly be considered "dangerous to democracy".

Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.

Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.

[Lamadia]

Read the post. I am not the British Government (neither, thank God, are you.) I did not suggest that these people should vote in Referendums but not general elections- vice-versa, in fact.

Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.

No, rectify your understanding. Quite simple.

[Imperializt Russia]

Your post isn't clear, else we wouldn't still be here.

Please, rephrase your statement to rectify this, since moving past this misunderstanding would apparently do all our blood pressures a favour.

No, rectify your understanding. Quite simple.

I'm trying, but you won't let me.

[Napkiraly]

I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.

[Valaran]

I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.

Begone with thee, migrant!

[Napkiraly]

I wish I could vote in the referendum. Ah well.

Begone with thee, migrant!

Funnily enough, I actually leave on the day of the referendum.

[Imperializt Russia]

I am not saying that the non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote. Please quote me on that- making that up is rather offensive, and suggests that I am something I am not, in particular, a xenophobe.

This is probably the crux of misunderstanding, and is the product of you either mistyping (which from your subsequent posts it seems you didn't) or a peculiar interpretation of "xenophobia".

The interpretation of your statement here is, "if I said non-UK Irish should be allowed to vote, that makes me a xenophobe"

Hence why I said I was, and say I still am, completely lost. The statement is simply bizarre.

[Valaran]

Begone with thee, migrant!

Funnily enough, I actually leave on the day of the referendum.

Got the hint, eh?

You're coming back though, right?

[The East Marches]

tories suspiciously fervent about disenfranchising the irish

Can you blame them? Our plastic Paddies are bad enough here. I can only imagine how awful the real ones are.

[Elepis]

You've now completely lost me.

Do you think the Irish shouldn't be allowed to vote? If not, why? The EU referendum franchise is the exact same franchise as is being used for general elections.

This socialist attitude you have is dangerous- dangerous to democracy, dangerous to the parliamentary system.
If you do not have UK citizenship, you should not be allowed to vote. Quite simple.

REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us

[Valaran]

REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us

*eyes narrow*
What's that colour on your flag Elepis?

[The Huskar Social Union]

REDS! REDS! They're everywhere I tells ya, be warned Lamadia, they're everywhere and they're out to get us

*eyes narrow*
What's that colour on your flag Elepis?

I see a bit of red in your flag Val.