Muslim prayer hall set on fire in Corsica

[Zoice]

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36178206

RAF kill 996 Daesh members since 2014. I'd call that an attack on fundamentalists.

How many ISIS members were killed by an angry mob of European skinheads?

[Dooom35796821595]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36178206

RAF kill 996 Daesh members since 2014. I'd call that an attack on fundamentalists.

How many ISIS members were killed by an angry mob of European skinheads?

None. But it's not their responsibility. It also means that the military, police and security services are doing their jobs and stopping the extremists on both sides.

[Gauthier]

They would, at least, fare far better than the "LET'S THROW MORE WOOD INTO THE FIRE" politics Wilders and Le Pen pursue. Those people will eventually end up pointing literal guns at refugees if they get their way, and I'm sure nobody in a right state of mind wants that.

They could gun down refugees and call it "fighting terrorism" to thunderous applause.

[Risottia]

Why does this never happen to extremists? It's always undeserving Muslims that get hit with these apparently random attacks.

Actually this happened to no one. No one was hurt in the arson.

[Jochistan]

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36178206

RAF kill 996 Daesh members since 2014. I'd call that an attack on fundamentalists.

I mean in the European countries. No one ever stabs a Salafi preacher or beats up a Jamaat al Islaami rally with cricket bats.

It's always legit moderates that get this kind of shit. Why?

With all the attacks on them by Salafi brigands like poor Asad Shah and by Ultranat thugs in this case the Corsican Masjid and God knows how many Pakistani 12 year olds the skinheads beat bloody in some back alley today, you could swear the two are in league.

Alright, that would make no sense. But still. Why don't the two cancers just kill each other and do us all a favor?

[Risottia]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

It's almost like Ostro weren't very knowledgeable about France, isn't it?

[Jochistan]

I wish that were true. Maybe someday.

I wouldn't say tiny, but they are most certainly a minority.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

Barely. It's a few ones away from being half all in all at this point.

[Risottia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36178206

RAF kill 996 Daesh members since 2014. I'd call that an attack on fundamentalists.

I mean in the European countries. No one ever stabs a Salafi preacher or beats up a Jamaat al Islaami rally with cricket bats.

It's always legit moderates that get this kind of shit. Why?

With all the attacks on them by Salafi brigands like poor Asad Shah and by Ultranat thugs in this case the Corsican Masjid, you could swear the two are in league.

Alright, that would make no sense. But still. Why don't the two cancers just kill each other and do us all a favor?

Because as violent extremists are a small minority, random attacks have a small probability of affecting them.
Also, the places they use tend to be kept secret or protected (as they conduct or plan illegal activities there) so they're even less likely to be hit by random attacks or even targeted by deliberate attacks.

[Esgonia]

I mean in the European countries. No one ever stabs a Salafi preacher or beats up a Jamaat al Islaami rally with cricket bats.

It's always legit moderates that get this kind of shit. Why?

With all the attacks on them by Salafi brigands like poor Asad Shah and by Ultranat thugs in this case the Corsican Masjid and God knows how many Pakistani 12 year olds the skinheads beat bloody in some back alley today, you could swear the two are in league.

Alright, that would make no sense. But still. Why don't the two cancers just kill each other and do us all a favor?

Because unlike the islamic fundamentalists, who mostly hide themselves and stuff, the moderates are commonly seen and the fact that the attackers pretty much generalize every religion/ideology to a certain standpoint..

And Imo, this is worrying, I can feel that Europe will end up in a massive shitstorm for years to come.

[Jochistan]

I mean in the European countries. No one ever stabs a Salafi preacher or beats up a Jamaat al Islaami rally with cricket bats.

It's always legit moderates that get this kind of shit. Why?

With all the attacks on them by Salafi brigands like poor Asad Shah and by Ultranat thugs in this case the Corsican Masjid and God knows how many Pakistani 12 year olds the skinheads beat bloody in some back alley today, you could swear the two are in league.

Alright, that would make no sense. But still. Why don't the two cancers just kill each other and do us all a favor?

Because unlike the islamic fundamentalists, who mostly hide themselves and stuff, the moderates are commonly seen and the fact that the attackers pretty much generalize every religion/ideology to a certain standpoint..

And Imo, this is worrying, I can feel that Europe will end up in a massive shitstorm for years to come.

Hide themselves my ass! They're out on streetcorners protesting, preaching and leading prayer with like minded congregations. They're anything but hidden.

Makes it all the more frustrating that no one takes them the fuck down.

[Jochistan]

I mean in the European countries. No one ever stabs a Salafi preacher or beats up a Jamaat al Islaami rally with cricket bats.

It's always legit moderates that get this kind of shit. Why?

With all the attacks on them by Salafi brigands like poor Asad Shah and by Ultranat thugs in this case the Corsican Masjid, you could swear the two are in league.

Alright, that would make no sense. But still. Why don't the two cancers just kill each other and do us all a favor?

Because as violent extremists are a small minority, random attacks have a small probability of affecting them.
Also, the places they use tend to be kept secret or protected (as they conduct or plan illegal activities there) so they're even less likely to be hit by random attacks or even targeted by deliberate attacks.

They aren't a small minority. They're a pretty big minority.

So many Mosques in Europe openly advertize themselves as Salafi/Deobandi or some other troublesome organization. And many are apparently sympathetic towards the Islamic State. Among the youth anyway. Albeit still a minority.

[Risottia]

Because as violent extremists are a small minority, random attacks have a small probability of affecting them.
Also, the places they use tend to be kept secret or protected (as they conduct or plan illegal activities there) so they're even less likely to be hit by random attacks or even targeted by deliberate attacks.

They aren't a small minority. They're a pretty big minority.

So many Mosques in Europe openly advertize themselves as Salafi/Deobandi or some other troublesome organization. And many are apparently sympathetic towards the Islamic State. Among the youth anyway. Albeit still a minority.

How many?

[Jochistan]

They aren't a small minority. They're a pretty big minority.

So many Mosques in Europe openly advertize themselves as Salafi/Deobandi or some other troublesome organization. And many are apparently sympathetic towards the Islamic State. Among the youth anyway. Albeit still a minority.

How many?

In britain alone, over 50%
http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/resourc ... report.pdf

Probably more if those PEW Polls are anything to go by.

[Kubra]

They would, at least, fare far better than the "LET'S THROW MORE WOOD INTO THE FIRE" politics Wilders and Le Pen pursue. Those people will eventually end up pointing literal guns at refugees if they get their way, and I'm sure nobody in a right state of mind wants that.

They could gun down refugees and call it "fighting terrorism" to thunderous applause.

or drown em in the river seine, as is more french

[Ganonsyoni]

Remember, its the fault of the SJWs that the muslim problem isn't being dealt with!

Some ultra-"SJW's" do actually do dumb shit, and there have been a few misteps, BUT, people like Ostroeuropa are waaaaaaaaaaaay too reactionary against them and they fly off the rails in attempt to counter them. Nuance is difficult to grasp for many.

That is predicated on whether SJW is a legitimate term or not. And from what I've seen, it isn't. Its a pejorative used by right-wingers to describe left-leaning beliefs and ideals. It could range from liberalism all the way to communism and everything in between. So is an ultra-SJW a communist? A socialist?

[Jochistan]

Some ultra-"SJW's" do actually do dumb shit, and there have been a few misteps, BUT, people like Ostroeuropa are waaaaaaaaaaaay too reactionary against them and they fly off the rails in attempt to counter them. Nuance is difficult to grasp for many.

That is predicated on whether SJW is a legitimate term or not. And from what I've seen, it isn't. Its a pejorative used by right-wingers to describe left-leaning beliefs and ideals. It could range from liberalism all the way to communism and everything in between. So is an ultra-SJW a communist? A socialist?

An extreme bleeding heart social liberal stereotype. Which is unfortunately pretty accurate a lot of the time.

And it really is there fault that Muslims have lost all credibility in their defensive arguements. And now the only option seems to be to withdraw for a lot. Which actually might be preferable now that I think about it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

At least no one was hurt, hope whoever did it is caught.

[Risottia]

How many?

In britain alone, over 50%
http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/resourc ... report.pdf

Probably more if those PEW Polls are anything to go by.

The fact that Talibans are supported by the Darul Uloom Deoband (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi# ... anizations) does not imply that every British attender of Deobandi mosques is a violent extremist.

Also, from your source, the biggest part of the largest mosques in Britain seems to be following Sufi-Barelvi, which is quite opposed to the Deoband and to the Taliban. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi#C ... e_Deobandi)

Hence, the amount of potential supporters of violent Muslim extremism in Europe are still a small minority. That's why non-extremist Muslims are much more likely to be victim of acts of anti-Muslim violence; just like non-anti-Muslims are much more likely to be victims of anti-European violence.

[TheDrunkenLlamas]

Because SJWs are to blame for everything. SJWs did 9/11!

[Jochistan]

In britain alone, over 50%
http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/resourc ... report.pdf

Probably more if those PEW Polls are anything to go by.

The fact that Talibans are supported by the Darul Uloom Deoband (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi# ... anizations) does not imply that every British attender of Deobandi mosques is a violent extremist.

Also, from your source, the biggest part of the largest mosques in Britain seems to be following Sufi-Barelvi, which is quite opposed to the Deoband and to the Taliban. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi#C ... e_Deobandi)

Hence, the amount of potential supporters of violent Muslim extremism in Europe are still a small minority. That's why non-extremist Muslims are much more likely to be victim of acts of anti-Muslim violence; just like non-anti-Muslims are much more likely to be victims of anti-European violence.

Fine. But although Deobandis are not always Taliban sympathizers. The official doctrine of their movement is strongly fundamentalist.

And I would kind of hesitate to call the Barelvis "Sufi" as they are more their own movement. Which is syncretic with many others.

[Frank Zipper]

About par for the Corse.

[The Peoples of Xaer]

About par for the Corse.

That was bad and you should feel bad. So should I, because I'm laughing.

[Kriga]

What they did to that mosque is a criminal act. I'm no fan of religion, as someone whose family had to ensure an Islamic Republic. But i'll be damned before i see fearmongerers like Le Pen sabre-rattle and create tensions between the muslim community and the rest of Europe. The hostility is only going to make things worse, and drive more of them into the arms of Islamists.

[The Peoples of Xaer]

What they did to that mosque is a criminal act. I'm no fan of religion, as someone whose family had to ensure an Islamic Republic. But i'll be damned before i see fearmongerers like Le Pen sabre-rattle and create tensions between the muslim community and the rest of Europe. The hostility is only going to make things worse, and drive more of them into the arms of Islamists.

Amen, Kriga! Because nothing engenders trust and cooperation like bombing the fuck out of someone's home, killing their friends and/or family, and pissing all over their beliefs. That'll totally make 'em love us!

[Chestaan]

That's because fundamentalists are a tiny minority.

I wish that were true. Maybe someday.

Well logically, if the attacks are random, and fundamentalists are not a small minority then fundamentalists would frequently be hit by these random attacks.