Muslim prayer hall set on fire in Corsica

[The balkens]

Same.

Same.

Same.

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

What the genuine fuck are you on about with this implication that people are going to cheer over this, or blame the victims?

Good god, I don't know what pisses me off more; the fact that such attacks happen or that you appear to believe I, or a significant portion of the forum would celebrate the misery of people who've most likely done nothing to deserve such a treatment.

Like, what the fuck. What the actual fuck.

It'll happen, just wait and see.

Yeah. It already happens on personal level I think.

Same.

Same.

Same.

[Vistulange]

Thinking =! Intelligence.

Unless we're debating the very base levels of intelligence.


Yes, it's called "realism" in political science and is loosely linked with "constructivism". Nothing new. Well, nothing 2016, though constructivism has its roots in the post-Cold War era.


What is this, 4chan?

i get it that you like to boast about how you're this cold heartless realist and about how you know a lot about international relations and political science cuz you're in college even though that's not necessarily the case but i was kind of joking about how the concepts of good and bad are subjective when applied to politics and therefore saying "hmmm maybe we should do what improves everyone's lives" is kind of redundant since theoretically that's what everyone including the most polar opposites of the political spectrum is after but whatever this is nsg so saying stuff that makes you look smart cynical and pessimistic is what matters the most

but most importantly why am i debating this with you in a thread about an islamophobic attack that occurred in corsica

also if it were 4chan i'd have said lel instead of lol. lol is used a lot everywhere. you should go on social media more but you're probably too enlightened for that

Fun.

No, I'm not cold-hearted. Cold-hearted would be "I don't care about Muslims dying" or "I don't care about X dying". I am, however, a realist, so yes, that's true. And no, I don't know a lot about international relations. Yes, the concepts of good and bad are subjective when applied to anything. And no, it's not redundant, because quite a lot of people will actually do what their ideology dictates them to do, instead of what logic dictates.

Also, why the fuck should I bother making myself seem smart, cynical or pessimistic on NSG, an internet forum members of which will never know my identity? I mean, if I wanted to make myself seem smart or somehow better than others, you'd think I'd do it somewhere where it can actually be acknowledged. Here, I am an anonymous person, a cell amongst around 200,000 people. I'm not distinguishable in any way, so why even bother? If I wanted to do that, I'd write somewhere else.

[Kelinfort]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

[Vistulange]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

If he's referring to the wave of liberalisations in the 1980's and onwards, he does have a point. All European states are more liberal compared to their old selves. True, calling France neoliberal is a stretch, but I think he was referring to Europe in general.

[Ostroeuropa]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

The banking crisis, islamic migration crisis, and the race to the bottom in taxes and regulation effect france, even if they aren't directly enforcing neoliberal policies themselves, they still have to enforce some to compete.

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

If he's referring to the wave of liberalisations in the 1980's and onwards, he does have a point. All European states are more liberal compared to their old selves. True, calling France neoliberal is a stretch, but I think he was referring to Europe in general.

This basically.

[Geilinor]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

No problem with that if it works. But don't forget who elected the establishment and often continues to elect it.

[Vistulange]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

No problem with that if it works. But don't forget who elected the establishment and often continues to elect it.

If invested well, it probably would. I've started to believe that the solution to this particular issue is intensive de-radicalisation, integration and social cohesion; higher budgets for education and all the other hijinks connected to those three points would make progress.

They would, at least, fare far better than the "LET'S THROW MORE WOOD INTO THE FIRE" politics Wilders and Le Pen pursue. Those people will eventually end up pointing literal guns at refugees if they get their way, and I'm sure nobody in a right state of mind wants that.

[Rio Cana]

Seems Europeans do not even know there own continent. Que pasa Europa! Even I know that Corsicans tend to be a very nationalistic and traditional. For centuries, they have not had it easy trying to defend there society or culture against invaders and later on France. So what do you expect. Remember, Island cultures are even more unique then then those on the mainland.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Shit. You know, there's a few rules to not being a dick, one of the top ones is, "don't burn the place of worship". Seriously, not hard to get.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Seems Europeans do not even know there own continent. Que pasa Europa! Even I know that Corsicans tend to be a very nationalistic and traditional. For centuries, they have not had it easy trying to defend there society or culture against invaders and later on France. So what do you expect. Remember, Island cultures are even more unique then then those on the mainland.

So? Is that really an excuse?

[Chestaan]

Jochistan, do you genuinely think that people with the will to set a prayer hall on fire can distinguish between rational Sunni Muslims and Salafis?

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

That's because fundamentalists are a tiny minority.

[Communist Xomaniax]

I hope the perpetrators are arrested, imprisoned, and put away for life.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but attacks on innocent people, regardless of who, what, or where they are, are never 'justified'. Unfortunately, people in groups are panicky, overreacting creatures that tend to feel more powerful when gathered together, and are easily whipped up to actions they might not ordinarily take. And these days, a good many normally decent people have been terrorized by others, who tend to claim to represent one group or another, depending on where you're at, and on account, there's been a lot of backlash.

No, it isn't justified. Wouldn't matter who we were talking about here. Is it understandable? Perhaps, though again, that does not justify it. Until we can figure out how to be who and what we are, while allowing others the same courtesy, regardless of where we happen to disagree on points, and without giving in to the urge to force everyone else to comply with our angle on things, I'm afraid it's going to continue this way.

It isn't right. It isn't good. It benefits no one, and creates even more fear, and loss, and additional backlash until the whole thing just explodes into something completely unforgivable. I'm not going to cater to names or titles or this phobia or that phobia - it all comes down to fear, and the misuse of one's agency to try and exert power over others, to one end, or another. And regardless of who's doing it, it needs to stop.

Does that about cover the initial questions?

[The East Marches]

Have Corsicans ever been known for being friendly to outsiders? Why would people think it's a good idea to resettle refugees there?

[Kelinfort]

France? Neoliberal?!

Holy shit that's hilarious

If he's referring to the wave of liberalisations in the 1980's and onwards, he does have a point. All European states are more liberal compared to their old selves. True, calling France neoliberal is a stretch, but I think he was referring to Europe in general.

Yes, but he takes neoliberalism and applies it in the same way Americans call people they don't like communists or socialists.

[Rio Cana]

Have Corsicans ever been known for being friendly to outsiders? Why would people think it's a good idea to resettle refugees there?

The French mainlanders might want to make Corsica a docile and obedient place by making the Corsicans less of a majority on there native island. Not having controls over there own borders and foreign immigration leaves them open to possible mainland abuse.

[Papua New Guineau]

If he's referring to the wave of liberalisations in the 1980's and onwards, he does have a point. All European states are more liberal compared to their old selves. True, calling France neoliberal is a stretch, but I think he was referring to Europe in general.

Yes, but he takes neoliberalism and applies it in the same way Americans call people they don't like communists or socialists.

But France really didn't go through significant liberalization until recently. If anything they got worse (more interventionist) during the 80's.

Just look at France during the 80's, it was all Mitterand and bank nationalizations.

[Jochistan]

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

That's because fundamentalists are a tiny minority.

I wish that were true. Maybe someday.

[Kelinfort]

That's because fundamentalists are a tiny minority.

I wish that were true. Maybe someday.

I wouldn't say tiny, but they are most certainly a minority.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is really sad that this happened. May Allah forgive them of their sins and admit them to Heaven. The victims and family, friends must seek justice in this and the criminals put in prison.

[Zoice]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

Can't get anything done to help the Islamic community when there's people like you trying to deport em all.

[The Carlisle]

To be expected given the botched policies of western administrations and escalating tensions as a result of SJWism in combination with neoliberalism straining public infrastructure.

The reaction to these attacks from the establishment will be to SJW harder and harder, because they refuse to admit they are wrong and are themselves the cause of these problems, until eventually there'll be riots, pogroms, and machete butcherings.

If you genuinely give a fuck about the Islamic community, you should be advocating higher taxes for more infrastructure (School places etc.), assimilation policies, and rolling back anti-western rhetoric and policy in institutions.

Or hell, deportation or voluntarily leaving works too. Better that than a continuingly escalating tension that'll lead to massacres sooner or later.

Can't get anything done to help the Islamic community when there's people like you trying to deport em all.

Remember, its the fault of the SJWs that the muslim problem isn't being dealt with!

[Zoice]

Can't get anything done to help the Islamic community when there's people like you trying to deport em all.

Remember, its the fault of the SJWs that the muslim problem isn't being dealt with!

Some ultra-"SJW's" do actually do dumb shit, and there have been a few misteps, BUT, people like Ostroeuropa are waaaaaaaaaaaay too reactionary against them and they fly off the rails in attempt to counter them. Nuance is difficult to grasp for many.

[Dooom35796821595]

Jochistan, do you genuinely think that people with the will to set a prayer hall on fire can distinguish between rational Sunni Muslims and Salafis?

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36178206

RAF kill 996 Daesh members since 2014. I'd call that an attack on fundamentalists.