Muslim prayer hall set on fire in Corsica

[Arkadacia]

Even if Sharia came into Europe, it wouldn't be bad.

Muslims don't belong in Europe.

I hope you're ready for the day of Justice.

Lovely, you're one of these 'Europa' types. We're going to be seeing a lot of you folk this summer, aren't we?

Either way, this whole militant thing is unflattering. Go experience a war firsthand and go and tell me how much you want to do that, yeah?

[Jochistan]

Then they're outside Sharia.

Sharia disagrees.

Who cares what you think the Sharia says, it's not what he or most other Muslims advocate.

Is the percentage that does thing that large? yes, almost a third. You can focus on those instead of dicking around with random Muslims you don't even consider Muslims.

[Ostroeuropa]

The EU government has, in the midst of all this tension, decided to allow turkey visa free travel, despite them not meeting the economic targets, and despite the ongoing migrant crisis. It's going to be in all the papers. It's going to spread.

as it currently stands, the far-right is at about 30% support in many european countries.

Are they actively trying to ressurect the reich, or are they just so detatched from the general public and so used to doing whatever the donor class says that they cannot fathom the notion they might actually lose power from pissing people off?

The headline they are going with in numerous publications is;

"75 million Turks to be given visa-free travel, despite not meeting targets."

[Jochistan]

As long as it's only instituted on Muslims, it's ok.

Shariah has no place in Western society. It destroys the principle of secularism. Even restricting it to Muslims would be bad, because it would infringe upon the rights of Muslims who do want to enjoy Western liberty in contrast to islamic ones.

Shariah law has no place in the West or any modernised, liberal society. period.

Shari'ah is just Islamic teachings.

Even the philosophy of a Progressive "Liberal" Muslim is Sharia.

Hell, the original advocates for Shariah in Iran and The Islamic world in general were Marxist Leftists like Ali Shiarati and West-sympathetic Progressive Modernists like Muhammad Abduh and Jalaluddin Al Afghani and Muhammad Iqbal.

[Jochistan]

The EU government has, in the midst of all this tension, decided to allow turkey visa free travel, despite them not meeting the economic targets, and despite the ongoing migrant crisis. It's going to be in all the papers. It's going to spread.

as it currently stands, the far-right is at about 30% support in many european countries.

Are they actively trying to ressurect the reich, or are they just so detatched from the general public and so used to doing whatever the donor class says that they cannot fathom the notion they might actually lose power from pissing people off?

The headline they are going with in numerous publications is;

"75 million Turks to be given visa-free travel, despite not meeting targets."

Because Turks are the main purpetrators of these crimes and the main exporters of fundamentalism. Not Pakistani and Gulf State Organizations and migrants.

[Napkiraly]

Shariah has no place in Western society. It destroys the principle of secularism. Even restricting it to Muslims would be bad, because it would infringe upon the rights of Muslims who do want to enjoy Western liberty in contrast to islamic ones.

Shariah law has no place in the West or any modernised, liberal society. period.

Shari'ah is just Islamic teachings.

Even the philosophy of a Progressive Liberal Muslim is Sharia.

It's not just teachings, it's the religious law of the religion.

[Ostroeuropa]

The EU government has, in the midst of all this tension, decided to allow turkey visa free travel, despite them not meeting the economic targets, and despite the ongoing migrant crisis. It's going to be in all the papers. It's going to spread.

as it currently stands, the far-right is at about 30% support in many european countries.

Are they actively trying to ressurect the reich, or are they just so detatched from the general public and so used to doing whatever the donor class says that they cannot fathom the notion they might actually lose power from pissing people off?

The headline they are going with in numerous publications is;

"75 million Turks to be given visa-free travel, despite not meeting targets."

Because Turks are the main purpetrators of these crimes and the main exporters of fundamentalism. Not Pakistani and Gulf State Organizations and migrants.

I know that, and you know that, but do you think most people know that?
Do you think it even really matters with Erdogan running his mouth about flooding the EU with migrants if he doesn't get what he wants?

[Jochistan]

Shari'ah is just Islamic teachings.

Even the philosophy of a Progressive Liberal Muslim is Sharia.

It's not just teachings, it's the religious law of the religion.

Exactly.

[Kriga]

Shariah has no place in Western society. It destroys the principle of secularism. Even restricting it to Muslims would be bad, because it would infringe upon the rights of Muslims who do want to enjoy Western liberty in contrast to islamic ones.

Shariah law has no place in the West or any modernised, liberal society. period.

Shari'ah is just Islamic teachings.

Even the philosophy of a Progressive "Liberal" Muslim is Sharia.

Hell, the original advocates for Shariah in Iran and The Islamic world in general were Marxist Leftists like Ali Shiarati and West-sympathetic Progressive Modernists like Muhammad Abduh and Jalaluddin Al Afghani and Muhammad Iqbal.

Look at the disgusting state of my homeland now.

Islamic fanaticism crippled Iran, destroyed its past greatness. Not a fan of the shah, but damn it, we had a chance to modernise in 79, and turn into a secular democracy. Things are getting better now, but Shariah has never been good for any Muslim country, liberally. You can justify it as much as you like, but at the end of the day, it is religious law.

And as a secularist, I condemn any form of intermixing between the state and religion.

[Lynerida]

Western Europe isn't safe for Muslims.

Ultra-nationalist Populists and Islamic Fundamentalists are throwing fuel on a fire that will consume Europe.

Sensible Muslims should emigrate before things get worse.

Idk. Western Europe is a lot safer for most Muslims than Eastern Europe. Those former Soviet nations are a lot more xenophobic and racist than in the west.

[Jochistan]

Shari'ah is just Islamic teachings.

Even the philosophy of a Progressive "Liberal" Muslim is Sharia.

Hell, the original advocates for Shariah in Iran and The Islamic world in general were Marxist Leftists like Ali Shiarati and West-sympathetic Progressive Modernists like Muhammad Abduh and Jalaluddin Al Afghani and Muhammad Iqbal.

Look at the disgusting state of my homeland now.

Islamic fanaticism crippled Iran, destroyed its past greatness. Not a fan of the shah, but damn it, we had a chance to modernise in 79, and turn into a secular democracy. Things are getting better now, but Shariah has never been good for any Muslim country, liberally. You can justify it as much as you like, but at the end of the day, it is religious law.

And as a secularist, I condemn any form of intermixing between the state and religion.

The people who wanted to modernize and democratically rearrange Iran were people who wanted Shari'ah. And at the same time were Modernists.

Right wing, still, so you would find them objectionable, but they were John Lennon compared to the Hardliners in power now.

[Jochistan]

Western Europe isn't safe for Muslims.

Ultra-nationalist Populists and Islamic Fundamentalists are throwing fuel on a fire that will consume Europe.

Sensible Muslims should emigrate before things get worse.

Idk. Western Europe is a lot safer for most Muslims than Eastern Europe. Those former Soviet nations are a lot more xenophobic and racist than in the west.

For how much longer? With the Western Populists absolutely chocking on the dicks of the leaders of those countries, how much longer before Western Europe becomes Ukraine.

[Kriga]

Look at the disgusting state of my homeland now.

Islamic fanaticism crippled Iran, destroyed its past greatness. Not a fan of the shah, but damn it, we had a chance to modernise in 79, and turn into a secular democracy. Things are getting better now, but Shariah has never been good for any Muslim country, liberally. You can justify it as much as you like, but at the end of the day, it is religious law.

And as a secularist, I condemn any form of intermixing between the state and religion.

The people who wanted to modernize and democratically rearrange Iran were people who wanted Shari'ah. And at the same time were Modernists.

No. You are being general about it. No modernist in Iran wanted Shariah. The clergy wielded influence, but mainly in the countryside. The Revolution was headed by Liberals, Marxists (Tudeh) and even Nationalists.

The Shah brutality cracked down on leftist parties and weakened them. Khomeini came back during the later stages of the Revolution and hijacked it using an empowered religious class. Iran had no chance to resist the Islamic takeover in 1980. They forced women to wear veils, set the norm for men to grow beards. My father couldn't even dress properly without being called out for his wear.

Don't even get me started on the Revolutionary Guards, the arrests, the torture, the stoning, the persecution of Zoroastrians, Jews, Kurds, etc. All in the name of Shariah law and Islamism.

You don't know the full story. Don't generalise and jump into conclusions. We shouldn't even be Islamic.

[Napkiraly]

It's not just teachings, it's the religious law of the religion.

Exactly.

Which is the issue. Religious law has no place in the West for anybody. Especially if it were to be imposed upon one community only.

[Napkiraly]

The people who wanted to modernize and democratically rearrange Iran were people who wanted Shari'ah. And at the same time were Modernists.

No. You are being general about it. No modernist in Iran wanted Shariah. The clergy wielded influence, but mainly in the countryside. The Revolution was headed by Liberals, Marxists (Tudeh) and even Nationalists.

The Shah brutality cracked down on leftist parties and weakened them. Khomeini came back during the later stages of the Revolution and hijacked it using an empowered religious class. Iran had no chance to resist the Islamic takeover in 1980. They forced women to wear veils, set the norm for men to grow beards. My father couldn't even dress properly without being called out for his wear.

Don't even get me started on the Revolutionary Guards, the arrests, the torture, the stoning, the persecution of Zoroastrians, Jews, Kurds, etc. All in the name of Shariah law and Islamism.

You don't know the full story. Don't generalise and jump into conclusions. We shouldn't even be Islamic.

Not to mention what is happening to the Baha'i's, considering they are viewed as apostates by the government.

[Jochistan]

The people who wanted to modernize and democratically rearrange Iran were people who wanted Shari'ah. And at the same time were Modernists.

No. You are being general about it. No modernist in Iran wanted Shariah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati
Kek.

[Kriga]

No. You are being general about it. No modernist in Iran wanted Shariah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati
Kek.

One man...

Do note that the Revolution was divided. There were plenty of other writers and politicians in favour of any other system other than Shariah law in Iran. Your argument is nonsensical. You're not even Iranian. You're a pan-turanist.

[Jochistan]

Exactly.

Which is the issue. Religious law has no place in the West for anybody. Especially if it were to be imposed upon one community only.

If people don't want it, they shouldn't have it in government.

And Shari'ah doesn't have to be in government to still be religious laws guiding practicioners of a religion. It's still there.

[Kriga]

No. You are being general about it. No modernist in Iran wanted Shariah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati
Kek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

Maybe i should also remind you that Ali Shariati was one man. We had more (and better) influential figures that motivated us into revolution. Mossadegh was more influential than Ali,

[George Rockwell]

Bad.

[Napkiraly]

Which is the issue. Religious law has no place in the West for anybody. Especially if it were to be imposed upon one community only.

1)If people don't want it, they shouldn't have it in government.

2)And Shari'ah doesn't have to be in government to still be religious laws guiding practicioners of a religion. It's still there.

1)Which is what I'm arguing?

2)It cannot be legally binding and any Sharia courts found operating should be shut down and its staff arrested for undermining the law of the country.

[Jochistan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati
Kek.

One man...

Do note that the Revolution was divided. There were plenty of other writers and politicians in favour of any other system other than Shariah law in Iran. Your argument is nonsensical. You're not even Iranian. You're a pan-turanist.

Guilty. I can still criticize your view as much as you're free to criticize Islam even though you aren't Muslim.

[Jochistan]

1)If people don't want it, they shouldn't have it in government.

2)And Shari'ah doesn't have to be in government to still be religious laws guiding practicioners of a religion. It's still there.

1)Which is what I'm arguing?

2)It cannot be legally binding and any Sharia courts found operating should be shut down and its staff arrested for undermining the law of the country.

Shariah courts? You mean asking an Imam for help and advice with zakat money or asking for a matchmaking service or the other Sharia judgements Imams and Sheikhs always make in any society?

[Kriga]

One man...

Do note that the Revolution was divided. There were plenty of other writers and politicians in favour of any other system other than Shariah law in Iran. Your argument is nonsensical. You're not even Iranian. You're a pan-turanist.

Guilty. I can still criticize your view as much as you're free to criticize Islam even though you aren't Muslim.

Ex-Muslim.

I'm rather glad i left. Well, i guess it works both ways then. I criticise your backward, socially outdated ideology. And you can argue desperately that Shariah is ultimately good, even though History likes to disagree with your assertion.

My country is ruined thanks to that justice system. I'm just glad Iran's beginning to come out of it at least. Shariah can only work for so long..

[Jochistan]

Guilty. I can still criticize your view as much as you're free to criticize Islam even though you aren't Muslim.

Ex-Muslim.

I'm rather glad i left. Well, i guess it works both ways then. I criticise your backward, socially outdated ideology. And you can argue desperately that Shariah is ultimately good, even though History likes to disagree with your assertion.

My country is ruined thanks to that justice system. I'm just glad Iran's beginning to come out of it at least. Shariah can only work for so long..

You don't even have a good grasp on what Shari'ah is.