Muslim prayer hall set on fire in Corsica

[Gauthier]

would be great if you could elaborate on that

You don't support anti-Christian/Jewish causes but support banning 'Islamization' from coming (Muslim refugees) to seek a better life.

Rather, he supports the arson of mosques but not arson of churches or synagogues.

[Kriga]

I am not saying we should build religious schools. I believe in secularism, separation of church/mosque/synagogue and state. Religion has no right to define what the state's functions, and should only be religious institutions that individuals choose to worship. I am simply saying that refugees need to be integrated and assimilated into the country they choose to settle in. They must learn the language, adopt to different social policies and enjoy their new life here without feeling distressed or sticking to conventions in their culture that can be morally repugnant to ours (e.g: Honour Killings, which is a very cultural tradition, or advocating for 6th century religion to take over that country).

Religious schools don't necessarily make a country a religious state.

Not saying they do, but they have no right to exist because they destroy the spirit of secularism. The state should provide education, not religion. Otherwise, religious schooling leads to possible bias.

[The Alma Mater]

Where do you get the silly idea that Arabic classes and Islamic schools haven't been around in Europe for the past 40 years or so ?

It would've been a lot more respectful to say "Arabic and Islamic courses have already been in Europe for at least 40 years". I would've thanked you for the information.

It would also have been a lot more respectful if you had assumed western Europe had been very welcoming and facilitating to muslims for the past decades - and given some consideration to the possibility that perhaps a significant amount muslims has indeed not been behaving very well during that time - leading to growing feelings of "they do not deserve all this special treatment"

Soo.. let us both change our assumptions and tune ?

[Miasto Lodz]

This is not the first time Islamophobic attacks have been carried out in France and in Corsica.

Why are you still using this term when even the guy who coined it is retracting from using it?

Sadly, women in hijabs being harassed and mosques vandalized are nothing new in the land of post-structuralism and guillotined monarchs

1. Corsica is NOT France regardless of what's on map.
2. This action is still a very moderate behavior by Corsican standards.

Does that, in your opinion, make these attacks on the Islamic community of France justifiable, NSG?

If govt is refusing to take steps to symmetrize the conflict and start to target their civilians as muslims are targeting European civilians no wonder the European civilians are taking those steps themselves.

Should they brace themselves for dark times to come?

No, they should go back where they came from.

Are you happy that Muslims in Europe are being attacked?

Happy? Not really. They're not supposed to be in Europe in the first place, but I'm glad they're finally getting a little bit of taste of their own poison.

Is it their fault for not being assimilated into European Culture™? Comment below.

Of course it is. If four decades in a welfare state and a metric fuckton of money and civil servants/volunteers worktime wasn't enough for them to at least start to "behave" they have no one to blame but themselves.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It would've been a lot more respectful to say "Arabic and Islamic courses have already been in Europe for at least 40 years". I would've thanked you for the information.

It would also have been a lot more respectful if you had assumed western Europe had been very welcoming and facilitating to muslims for the past decades - and given some consideration to the possibility that perhaps a significant amount muslims has indeed not been behaving very well during that time - leading to growing feelings of "they do not deserve all this special treatment"

Soo.. let us both change our assumptions and tune ?

I said that Europe could build religious schools, meaning I wasn't aware that Europe already had them. And now I can kinda see where your going. Should've thought that through. Sure.

[A Czecherboard]

DEUS

FUCKING

VULT

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Religious schools don't necessarily make a country a religious state.

Not saying they do, but they have no right to exist because they destroy the spirit of secularism. The state should provide education, not religion. Otherwise, religious schooling leads to possible bias.

But if a parent wants their child/children to grow up with a strong faith, shouldn't they have that right?

[Kautharr]

You don't support anti-Christian/Jewish causes but support banning 'Islamization' from coming (Muslim refugees) to seek a better life.

Rather, he supports the arson of mosques but not arson of churches or synagogues.

hahahah just fucking stop.
you ignore my reasoning and instead make up my own beliefs lmao

I'm not going to say it again, especially to you and other overly offended posters, I support their cause as long as what they do ISN'T VIOLENT. And you know what their cause is? TO STOP ISLAMIC INFLUENCE IN EUROPE, WHICH IS CHRISTIAN NOT MUSLIM.

[Unified Heartless States]

This is not the first time Islamophobic attacks have been carried out in France and in Corsica.

Why are you still using this term when even the guy who coined it is retracting from using it?

Thank you, based nation.

[Dooom35796821595]

Not saying they do, but they have no right to exist because they destroy the spirit of secularism. The state should provide education, not religion. Otherwise, religious schooling leads to possible bias.

But if a parent wants their child/children to grow up with a strong faith, shouldn't they have that right?

No. If they want their child to learn their religion they can teach them themselves, not rely on state funded schools for indoctrinating their kids.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Rather, he supports the arson of mosques but not arson of churches or synagogues.

hahahah just fucking stop.
you ignore my reasoning and instead make up my own beliefs lmao

I'm not going to say it again, especially to you and other overly offended posters, I support their cause as long as what they do ISN'T VIOLENT. And you know what their cause is? TO STOP ISLAMIC INFLUENCE IN EUROPE, WHICH IS CHRISTIAN NOT MUSLIM.

But what they did was violent and prejudiced. And religion should have the right to spread it's wings as far as it can.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

But if a parent wants their child/children to grow up with a strong faith, shouldn't they have that right?

No. If they want their child to learn their religion they can teach them themselves, not rely on state funded schools for indoctrinating their kids.

It's not indoctrination, it's teaching religion and strengthened faith. Besides, I saying that there can be religious and secular schools. Now that's having the best of both worlds.

[Kautharr]

hahahah just fucking stop.
you ignore my reasoning and instead make up my own beliefs lmao

I'm not going to say it again, especially to you and other overly offended posters, I support their cause as long as what they do ISN'T VIOLENT. And you know what their cause is? TO STOP ISLAMIC INFLUENCE IN EUROPE, WHICH IS CHRISTIAN NOT MUSLIM.

But what they did was violent and prejudiced. And religion should have the right to spread it's wings as far as it can.

Fine. We should spread Christianity into the middle east so that Saudi Arabia, including Mecca, become Christian.

[Dooom35796821595]

No. If they want their child to learn their religion they can teach them themselves, not rely on state funded schools for indoctrinating their kids.

It's not indoctrination, it's teaching religion and strengthened faith. Besides, I saying that there can be religious and secular schools. Now that's having the best of both worlds.

Religious indoctrination, the original sense of indoctrination, refers to a process of imparting doctrine in an authoritative way, as in catechism. Most religious groups among the revealed religions instruct new members in the principles of the religion; this is now not usually referred to as indoctrination by the religions themselves, in part because of the negative connotations the word has acquired. Mystery religions require a period of indoctrination before granting access to esoteric knowledge. (cf. Information security)

As a pejorative term, indoctrination implies forcibly or coercively causing people to act and think on the basis of a certain ideology. Some secular critics believe that all religions indoctrinate their adherents, as children, and the accusation is made in the case of religious extremism. Sects such as Scientology use personality tests and peer pressures to indoctrinate new members. Some religions have commitment ceremonies for children 13 years and younger, such as Bar Mitzvah, Confirmation, and Shichi-Go-San. In Buddhism, temple boys are encouraged to follow the faith while young.[citation needed] Critics of religion, such as Richard Dawkins, maintain that the children of religious parents are often unfairly indoctrinated.

You can teach religion in a secular school alongside all other major religions, but a true education can not come from a school who exists under the belief that one of them is right above all others.

[The Alma Mater]

But what they did was violent and prejudiced. And religion should have the right to spread it's wings as far as it can.

Fine. We should spread Christianity into the middle east so that Saudi Arabia, including Mecca, become Christian.

I would prefer it if Mecca was simply returned to the Meccans. Their religion was intruiging.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

But what they did was violent and prejudiced. And religion should have the right to spread it's wings as far as it can.

Fine. We should spread Christianity into the middle east so that Saudi Arabia, including Mecca, become Christian.

Cool. As long as no crusades stuff happens, I'm cool with that. But I still wanna make Hajj though. And there's religious freedom, right? If all that's guaranteed, I'm a ok.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's not indoctrination, it's teaching religion and strengthened faith. Besides, I saying that there can be religious and secular schools. Now that's having the best of both worlds.

Religious indoctrination, the original sense of indoctrination, refers to a process of imparting doctrine in an authoritative way, as in catechism. Most religious groups among the revealed religions instruct new members in the principles of the religion; this is now not usually referred to as indoctrination by the religions themselves, in part because of the negative connotations the word has acquired. Mystery religions require a period of indoctrination before granting access to esoteric knowledge. (cf. Information security)

As a pejorative term, indoctrination implies forcibly or coercively causing people to act and think on the basis of a certain ideology. Some secular critics believe that all religions indoctrinate their adherents, as children, and the accusation is made in the case of religious extremism. Sects such as Scientology use personality tests and peer pressures to indoctrinate new members. Some religions have commitment ceremonies for children 13 years and younger, such as Bar Mitzvah, Confirmation, and Shichi-Go-San. In Buddhism, temple boys are encouraged to follow the faith while young.[citation needed] Critics of religion, such as Richard Dawkins, maintain that the children of religious parents are often unfairly indoctrinated.

You can teach religion in a secular school alongside all other major religions, but a true education can not come from a school who exists under the belief that one of them is right above all others.

Hm. Well my religious school (it's a Sunday school at my masjid) only teaches us about Al-Islam and how we can work the faith in our lives. But they don't try to say "Islam's the only right religion! Everybody else are sinners/infidels!" They don't say that. As long as religious schools teach religion, I'm fine, but no indoctrination.

[Dooom35796821595]

Religious indoctrination, the original sense of indoctrination, refers to a process of imparting doctrine in an authoritative way, as in catechism. Most religious groups among the revealed religions instruct new members in the principles of the religion; this is now not usually referred to as indoctrination by the religions themselves, in part because of the negative connotations the word has acquired. Mystery religions require a period of indoctrination before granting access to esoteric knowledge. (cf. Information security)

As a pejorative term, indoctrination implies forcibly or coercively causing people to act and think on the basis of a certain ideology. Some secular critics believe that all religions indoctrinate their adherents, as children, and the accusation is made in the case of religious extremism. Sects such as Scientology use personality tests and peer pressures to indoctrinate new members. Some religions have commitment ceremonies for children 13 years and younger, such as Bar Mitzvah, Confirmation, and Shichi-Go-San. In Buddhism, temple boys are encouraged to follow the faith while young.[citation needed] Critics of religion, such as Richard Dawkins, maintain that the children of religious parents are often unfairly indoctrinated.

You can teach religion in a secular school alongside all other major religions, but a true education can not come from a school who exists under the belief that one of them is right above all others.

Hm. Well my religious school (it's a Sunday school at my masjid) only teaches us about Al-Islam and how we can work the faith in our lives. But they don't try to say "Islam's the only right religion! Everybody else are sinners/infidels!" They don't say that. As long as religious schools teach religion, I'm fine, but no indoctrination.

Childern are particularly susceptible to indoctrination, which is why it's important they are taught how to think critically without bias or favour. Subsequently it is better to provide a secular education of religion so they can better understand all opinions and be free to make their own informed decision.

[Kriga]

No. If they want their child to learn their religion they can teach them themselves, not rely on state funded schools for indoctrinating their kids.

It's not indoctrination, it's teaching religion and strengthened faith. Besides, I saying that there can be religious and secular schools. Now that's having the best of both worlds.

No. Education is the responsibility of the State. Religion curtails free thinking and open dialogue. Faith schools are biased and not necessary. you want your child to learn about religion? Teach him/her yourself. Religion has no place in Education. Education must serve as a non-partisan, open-minded community. It does not need religion in any way.

[Ifreann]

What the genuine fuck are you on about with this implication that people are going to cheer over this, or blame the victims?

Good god, I don't know what pisses me off more; the fact that such attacks happen or that you appear to believe I, or a significant portion of the forum would celebrate the misery of people who've most likely done nothing to deserve such a treatment.

Like, what the fuck. What the actual fuck.

Just thought I'd quote this from the first page.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

Karma strikes back.

[MERIZoC]

This is not the first time Islamophobic attacks have been carried out in France and in Corsica.

Why are you still using this term when even the guy who coined it is retracting from using it?

Er, the term is much older than that.

[Anollasia]

[Salus Maior]

Just what Europe needs, more religious violence -_-

[UNIverseVERSE]

No. The attacks are random. But they weirdly enough never seem to happen to fundamentalists.

Surely the reason for this is fairly easy to work out: there aren't very many fundamentalists.

France has a Muslim population of ~4.7 million. The two recent instances of fundamentalist Islamic terrorism in France have involved 10-15 active agents. Assuming they have a support and encouragement network that's say 10x their size, that makes 150 or so people at this level of fundamentalist awful: ~0.003% of the overall French Muslim population.

Or as another way to look at it, about one out of every thirty thousand random attacks would hit a fundamentalist group. Because it's such tiny ratio, the overwhelming odds are that any given random attack will hit some perfectly normal people.