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Postby Traditionalism » Wed May 04, 2016 11:05 am

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Traditionalism wrote:No you're not. I could say all black people don't commit crimes and still believe all of them are inferior. I'm not defending them, I'm just pointing out an inconsistency.

And in pointing out said inconsistency you'd be defending the blacks that don't commit crimes from hasty generalizations.

You're assuming that whether they're being labeled as criminals or not matters in the big picture of it not mattering since the person thinks they're inferior, regardless of criminal activity their conclusion will be the same and they still consider them the enemy. They're not being defended.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 04, 2016 11:14 am

Traditionalism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:And in pointing out said inconsistency you'd be defending the blacks that don't commit crimes from hasty generalizations.

You're assuming that whether they're being labeled as criminals or not matters in the big picture of it not mattering since the person thinks they're inferior, regardless of criminal activity their conclusion will be the same and they still consider them the enemy.

The big picture is irrelevant
Traditionalism wrote: They're not being defended.

Yes they are. From the aforementioned hasty generalizations.
Specifically that all blacks commit crimes.

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Postby Traditionalism » Wed May 04, 2016 11:14 am

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Traditionalism wrote:You're assuming that whether they're being labeled as criminals or not matters in the big picture of it not mattering since the person thinks they're inferior, regardless of criminal activity their conclusion will be the same and they still consider them the enemy.

The big picture is irrelevant
Traditionalism wrote: They're not being defended.

Yes they are. From the aforementioned hasty generalizations.
Specifically that all blacks commit crimes.

That's not a defense if the conclusion is still a negative perception.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 04, 2016 11:18 am

Traditionalism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:The big picture is irrelevant

Yes they are. From the aforementioned hasty generalizations.
Specifically that all blacks commit crimes.

That's not a defense if the conclusion is still a negative perception.

It is if the conclusion is less negative.

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Postby Jochistan » Wed May 04, 2016 2:41 pm

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Jochistan wrote:It's also not unusual for SJWs to complain about colonial mistreatment of minorities. Lol.

Has a very "triggered" tone to it too. "

what the fuck makes you think its remotely acceptable to compare the actual suffering of [minority]" sounds very much like a...well...you know....

Blacks in South Africa aren't a fucking minority.

I can see that exact tone coming from a Feminazi hair dyed tumblr regressive.

They are in the west and you are defending them as a whole culture.

By many peoples standards, that is a very regressive leftist view. Regardless if it's right or not.

If you support Mandela it makes you even more of a hypocrite.
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Postby Kriga » Wed May 04, 2016 3:16 pm

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Which never works in practice...ever

Actually it did in the past. It can work again.


No, it didn't. Never will. THere will always be resistance or animosity towards one set of beliefs. Unless you are an advocate for total genocide, then the Quran's verse is moot.

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Postby Crockerland » Wed May 04, 2016 3:18 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Blacks in South Africa aren't a fucking minority.

I can see that exact tone coming from a Feminazi hair dyed tumblr regressive.

They're usually not in favor of facts.
Jochistan wrote:They are in the west and you are defending them as a whole culture.

The group I'm talking about, Blacks in South Africa, aren't a minority in the west.
Jochistan wrote:By many peoples standards, that is a very regressive leftist view. Regardless if it's right or not.

So now do I get to follow you around multiple threads and scream bloody murder that you called me a regressive leftist even though you didn't?
Jochistan wrote:If you support Mandela it makes you even more of a hypocrite.

I support that he helped end Apartheid, I don't support his relations with the racist state of Zimbabwe.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 04, 2016 3:19 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Actually it did in the past. It can work again.


No, it didn't. Never will. THere will always be resistance or animosity towards one set of beliefs. Unless you are an advocate for total genocide, then the Quran's verse is moot.

The Qur'an doesn't advocate for genocide, and what was this about again?
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Postby Jochistan » Wed May 04, 2016 3:19 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Jochistan wrote:I can see that exact tone coming from a Feminazi hair dyed tumblr regressive.

They're usually not in favor of facts.
Jochistan wrote:They are in the west and you are defending them as a whole culture.

The group I'm talking about, Blacks in South Africa, aren't a minority in the west.
Jochistan wrote:By many peoples standards, that is a very regressive leftist view. Regardless if it's right or not.

So now do I get to follow you around multiple threads and scream bloody murder that you called me a regressive leftist even though you didn't?
Jochistan wrote:If you support Mandela it makes you even more of a hypocrite.

I support that he helped end Apartheid, I don't support his relations with the racist state of Zimbabwe.

Muslims are a minority in the west too, yet me coenting on the situation worldwide was what seemed to do it.

You actually really did call me a regressive leftist. I'm not screaming bloody murder. I'm rightfully pointing out that you're an unreasonable nuisance.

Oh yeah, and you, like regressive leftists, share the position that neo colonialsm bas ruined blacks in Africa. So basically you're a hypocrite. By your standards, you would also be considered a regressive leftist.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 04, 2016 3:21 pm

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Jochistan wrote:I support that he helped end Apartheid, I don't support his relations with the racist state of Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe wasn't racist, it was freeing itself of colonialism.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kriga » Wed May 04, 2016 3:35 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kriga wrote:
No, it didn't. Never will. THere will always be resistance or animosity towards one set of beliefs. Unless you are an advocate for total genocide, then the Quran's verse is moot.

The Qur'an doesn't advocate for genocide, and what was this about again?


Never said that. Only said that the only way you can get the enemy to stop, is if you crush them completely. Otherwise, they won't give up and will continue fighting in some way or the other.

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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Wed May 04, 2016 3:35 pm

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Zimbabwe wasn't racist, it was freeing itself of colonialism.

I think your joking. :unsure: About Zimbabwe just look at Robert Mugabe.
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Postby First Order Moffinate » Wed May 04, 2016 6:40 pm

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How do we feel ? You got off easy. Next time it should be there heads cut off.

Dude, just, why?


Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.

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Postby Crockerland » Wed May 04, 2016 6:45 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
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Zimbabwe wasn't racist, it was freeing itself of colonialism.

Freeing itself of black Rhodesian prime minister Abel Muzorewa by stealing white farm lands?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 04, 2016 6:48 pm

First Order Moffinate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Dude, just, why?


Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.

Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 04, 2016 6:49 pm

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First Order Moffinate wrote:
Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.

Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other

It's clearly the best solution.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed May 04, 2016 6:56 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
First Order Moffinate wrote:
Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.

Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other

We should just round the Salafis and the "neo Fascist" Uruk Hai and their retard fat populist fuck counterparts up and murder all of them. now that would be progress.

They're subhumans. All of them. And need to be treated in the most cruel, agonizing way possible to put them into their fucking place. As fertilizer.
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Postby Hyfling » Wed May 04, 2016 7:03 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Crockerland wrote:

Zimbabwe wasn't racist, it was freeing itself of colonialism.

Zimbabwe-Rhodesia under the moderate Muzorewa probably would've ended up better for blacks and whites alike, instead we've got a racist and Marxist nutcase who's trashing the former Breadbasket of Africa.

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Postby First Order Moffinate » Wed May 04, 2016 7:20 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
First Order Moffinate wrote:
Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.

Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other



No. We did not start this. ISIS did. I am not advocating killing non- extremist Muslims. I am advocating we harden our hearts and have NO MERCY on ISIS. Our mission is to utterly WIPE OUT ISIS. To give them no haven from our bombs, no escape from the bullet, no mercy from the cutting edge of our blades. To utterly KILL them until there is no ISIS left and people will look with horror and fear at our hill of severed ISIS heads rotting in the sun.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed May 04, 2016 7:24 pm

Why was I expecting Traditionalism to be all over this shit?

Anyways, it's sad what happened, but I'm glad nobody got hurt.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 04, 2016 8:13 pm

First Order Moffinate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other



No. We did not start this. ISIS did. I am not advocating killing non- extremist Muslims. I am advocating we harden our hearts and have NO MERCY on ISIS. Our mission is to utterly WIPE OUT ISIS. To give them no haven from our bombs, no escape from the bullet, no mercy from the cutting edge of our blades. To utterly KILL them until there is no ISIS left and people will look with horror and fear at our hill of severed ISIS heads rotting in the sun.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 05, 2016 2:57 am

First Order Moffinate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other



No. We did not start this. ISIS did. I am not advocating killing non- extremist Muslims. I am advocating we harden our hearts and have NO MERCY on ISIS. Our mission is to utterly WIPE OUT ISIS. To give them no haven from our bombs, no escape from the bullet, no mercy from the cutting edge of our blades. To utterly KILL them until there is no ISIS left and people will look with horror and fear at our hill of severed ISIS heads rotting in the sun.

Dude, your not even advocating killing terrorists, you want to commit genocide.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu May 05, 2016 4:36 am

First Order Moffinate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other



No. We did not start this. ISIS did. I am not advocating killing non- extremist Muslims. I am advocating we harden our hearts and have NO MERCY on ISIS. Our mission is to utterly WIPE OUT ISIS. To give them no haven from our bombs, no escape from the bullet, no mercy from the cutting edge of our blades. To utterly KILL them until there is no ISIS left and people will look with horror and fear at our hill of severed ISIS heads rotting in the sun.

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 05, 2016 4:47 am

Jochistan wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh a lovely sentiment, let's just all murder each other

We should just round the Salafis and the "neo Fascist" Uruk Hai and their retard fat populist fuck counterparts up and murder all of them. now that would be progress.

They're subhumans. All of them. And need to be treated in the most cruel, agonizing way possible to put them into their fucking place. As fertilizer.

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Postby Community Values » Thu May 05, 2016 5:48 am

First Order Moffinate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Dude, just, why?


Why you ask ? It's because ISIS cuts peoples heads off that are of a different religion. As has bene done to us so too it must be done to them. I even am in favor of Christian and Jewish terrorist groups. If they chose to fight us using those methods, then we are morally free to do the same. Head for head, bomb for bomb.


I could see this in a movie, with the MC saying something along the lines of "But sir, if we did this, what makes us better than the monsters!", but it is true. What makes us better than them if we use terrorist tactics? I mean, wouldn't we be giving up everything western society has achieved in the past 100 years if we go out beheading people? Also, I don't support ISIS, therefor I don't support the West becoming ISIS to defeat it. Lets just use our coalition idea, that always seemed pretty nice.
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