NDAA would require women to register for the draft

[Imperializt Russia]

Could this perhaps be made into a ripe opportunity for the GOP? I don't see women wanting the draft nor the military getting many who can pass basic training, so the men won't be in favor of the draft being extended to women. If Republicans campaign on keeping women ineligible for the draft, I think it'll be a winning strategy.

If that is a winning strategy, I fucking fear for the state of the US if that's what they think is the most important thing to change.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Could this perhaps be made into a ripe opportunity for the GOP? I don't see women wanting the draft nor the military getting many who can pass basic training, so the men won't be in favor of the draft being extended to women. If Republicans campaign on keeping women ineligible for the draft, I think it'll be a winning strategy.

If that is a winning strategy, I fucking fear for the state of the US if that's what they think is the most important thing to change.

Any person who would vote for the GOP on the platform of keep women out of the military was already voting GOP

[Saiwania]

Any person who would vote for the GOP on the platform of keep women out of the military was already voting GOP

My calculation is that feminists, for all of their bluster when it comes down to it- won't actually want to be exposed to the draft even though they give lip service to "women can fight just as well as any man" and there will be a rare alliance with men in favor of patriarchy in order to prevent this. The conservatives get to keep their primarily all male military and feminists get to keep complaining about women not being allowed into battle but keep the benefit of women not being expected to be part of any draft.

[Imperializt Russia]

Any person who would vote for the GOP on the platform of keep women out of the military was already voting GOP

My calculation is that feminists, for all of their bluster when it comes down to it- won't actually want to be exposed to the draft even though they give lip service to "women can fight just as well as any man" and they'll be a rare alliance with men in favor of patriarchy in order to prevent this.

They're not going to ally with the GOP to do so, even if you calculate correctly.

[Saiwania]

They're not going to ally with the GOP to do so, even if you calculate correctly.

If the Democratic party is pushing this, they have to or accept that what they don't want has a good chance of happening. Backing third parties means that your voice never gets heard. Any third party is effectively a wasted vote. They're going to be in the cruel dilemma of allowing women to be eligible for the draft or support Republicans in order to derail that plan but risk future restrictions on abortion and having some or many of their aims effectively undone if the GOP gets legislative or judicial control.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

They're not going to ally with the GOP to do so, even if you calculate correctly.

If the Democratic party is pushing this, they have to or accept that what they don't want has a good chance of happening. Backing third parties means that your voice never gets heard. Any third party is effectively a wasted vote. They're going to be in the cruel dilemma of allowing women to be eligible for the draft or support Republicans in order to derail that plan but risk future restrictions on abortion and having some or many of their aims effectively undone if the GOP gets legislative or judicial control.

60% of Americans favor opening selective service registration to women. The bulk of unfavorability for the idea comes from women but very few women are going to directly vote against immediate interests to oppose anot unlikely hypothetical that the vast percentage of Americans oppose, an actual draft.

[Indira]

This is the equality Feminists seem to be banging on about. Now to wait and see CM's response.

Anyways, I would prefer no draft, but if males have to sign up, why don't females?

Basically this. You want equality? You get EVERYTHING equal, with bells attached.

[Uxupox]

Could this perhaps be made into a ripe opportunity for the GOP? I don't see women wanting the draft nor the military getting many who can pass basic training, so the men won't be in favor of the draft being extended to women. If Republicans campaign on keeping women ineligible for the draft, I think it'll be a winning strategy.

Don't remember the exact statistics for basic but women passed just as fine as men.

[Ifreann]

Could this perhaps be made into a ripe opportunity for the GOP? I don't see women wanting the draft nor the military getting many who can pass basic training, so the men won't be in favor of the draft being extended to women. If Republicans campaign on keeping women ineligible for the draft, I think it'll be a winning strategy.

It would be very amusing to see Republicans campaigning on opposition to a law proposed and supported by their fellow Republicans.

[Saiwania]

Don't remember the exact statistics for basic but women passed just as fine as men.

Only if the standards are lowered I bet. As an example, the men may need to do 20 pull ups, the women would only need to do 12. Furthermore, having women in battle will expose them much more to rape. If it isn't from their male colleagues, it'll be from the enemy. That is how war usually goes, it is a man's world that is just no place for a woman.

I'm convinced now that the Red Army only let women into battle in the Great Patriotic War because the USSR was in an existential crisis during the titanic struggle with Nazi Germany. In other circumstances such as if the Soviets invaded Europe first, the women would've been held back for reserve or in no front line infantry positions at all. The invasion of Finland was done by only men, was it not?

[USS Monitor]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

I'd prefer that. If we aren't going to actually use the draft and make people serve, it's kind of pointless to make people register. They should just ditch it to cut down paperwork.

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't remember the exact statistics for basic but women passed just as fine as men.

Only if the standards are lowered I bet. As an example, the men may need to do 20 pull ups, the women would only need to do 12. Furthermore, having women in battle will expose them much more to rape. If it isn't from their male colleagues, it'll be from the enemy. That is how war usually goes, it is a man's world that is just no place for a woman.

I'm convinced now that the Red Army only let women into battle in the Great Patriotic War because the USSR was in an existential crisis during the titanic struggle with Nazi Germany. In other circumstances such as if the Soviets invaded Europe first, the women would've been held back for reserve or in no front line infantry positions at all. The invasion of Finland was done by only men, was it not?

Civilians, including women, were right there on the front in all roles, from the construction of defensive works like at Kursk, to the famed Soviet female sniper corps and medics by the million. They also staffed unit headquarters and the politburo.

[Uxupox]

Don't remember the exact statistics for basic but women passed just as fine as men.

Only if the standards are lowered I bet. As an example, the men may need to do 20 pull ups, the women would only need to do 12. Furthermore, having women in battle will expose them much more to rape. If it isn't from their male colleagues, it'll be from the enemy. That is how war usually goes, it is a man's world that is just no place for a woman.

I'm convinced now that the Red Army only let women into battle in the Great Patriotic War because the USSR was in an existential crisis during the titanic struggle with Nazi Germany. In other circumstances such as if the Soviets invaded Europe first, the women would've been held back for reserve or in no front line infantry positions at all. The invasion of Finland was done by only men, was it not?

I do agree that standards should not be lowered at all but in war it doesn't matter your sex as long as you can do your job correctly and with exemplary motivation.

[Ifreann]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

I'd prefer that. If we aren't going to actually use the draft and make people serve, it's kind of pointless to make people register. They should just ditch it to cut down paperwork.

Shred the paperwork and use it for ticker tape parades.

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Only if the standards are lowered I bet. As an example, the men may need to do 20 pull ups, the women would only need to do 12. Furthermore, having women in battle will expose them much more to rape. If it isn't from their male colleagues, it'll be from the enemy. That is how war usually goes, it is a man's world that is just no place for a woman.

I'm convinced now that the Red Army only let women into battle in the Great Patriotic War because the USSR was in an existential crisis during the titanic struggle with Nazi Germany. In other circumstances such as if the Soviets invaded Europe first, the women would've been held back for reserve or in no front line infantry positions at all. The invasion of Finland was done by only men, was it not?

Civilians, including women, were right there on the front in all roles, from the construction of defensive works like at Kursk, to the famed Soviet female sniper corps and medics by the million. They also staffed unit headquarters and the politburo.

And flew bombing missions [/sabaton derived knowledge]

[JChillin]

So long as the draft never comes and doesn't affect me and the people I care about even if it does, sure thing.

I'd dodge the shit out of that though.

[Ashmoria]

Don't remember the exact statistics for basic but women passed just as fine as men.

Only if the standards are lowered I bet. As an example, the men may need to do 20 pull ups, the women would only need to do 12. Furthermore, having women in battle will expose them much more to rape. If it isn't from their male colleagues, it'll be from the enemy. That is how war usually goes, it is a man's world that is just no place for a woman.

I'm convinced now that the Red Army only let women into battle in the Great Patriotic War because the USSR was in an existential crisis during the titanic struggle with Nazi Germany. In other circumstances such as if the Soviets invaded Europe first, the women would've been held back for reserve or in no front line infantry positions at all. The invasion of Finland was done by only men, was it not?

luckily soldiers seldom are called on to do pull ups in war.

and we don't have to take any woman who isn't fit enough. some women are and there is no real reason not to have them in those jobs. and we have 200,000+ women serving today who are only in danger from their fellow soldiers.

and many many military jobs don't ever involve combat so it doesn't much matter how physically capable people in those jobs are.

[Imperializt Russia]

So long as the draft never comes and doesn't affect me and the people I care about even if it does, sure thing.

I'd dodge the shit out of that though.

Can't you get black-bagged for this under the Patriot Act or something?

[Justin States 3]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

^ This

[JChillin]

So long as the draft never comes and doesn't affect me and the people I care about even if it does, sure thing.

I'd dodge the shit out of that though.

Can't you get black-bagged for this under the Patriot Act or something?

Eh, sure. There's probably some excuse or legal thing I can get to protect me, though. The only reason laws are complicated are for powerful people to be exempt.

[Tevehas]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

It's illegal to not register for the draft

[Saiwania]

So long as the draft never comes and doesn't affect me and the people I care about even if it does, sure thing. I'd dodge the shit out of that though.

If you're not fit for battle, chances are you won't be sent to the front, even if you get drafted. But you might get assigned to a support role or in a factory somewhere producing munitions or peeling potatoes, whatever is wanted by the people in charge of logistics.

[Alvecia]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

It's illegal to not register for the draft

I think the idea is to make it not illegal.

[Unified Heartless States]

Meh, this was bound to happen. That being said, I suspect this bill will offer women to grandfather out so this bill won't really take effect until 18 or more years after passing.

[JChillin]

So long as the draft never comes and doesn't affect me and the people I care about even if it does, sure thing. I'd dodge the shit out of that though.

If you're not fit for battle, chances are you won't be sent to the front, even if you get drafted. But you might get assigned to a support role or in a factory somewhere producing munitions or peeling potatoes, whatever is wanted by the people in charge of logistics.

That'd be a waste of my life, though. So I'd probably still dodge.

[Uxupox]

Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

It's illegal to not register for the draft

It's not really illegal but it really hampers the possibility your civilian career by the following restrictiosn too federal student financial aid, federal job training and federal employment.