NDAA would require women to register for the draft

[Neutraligon]

Weren't the first 10 all done as once not 10 separate times?

If we're counting like that it'd be 18 times.

But those 10 were set to be included as part of the agreement of making and signing the Constitution beforehand.

[Ifreann]

Is it in any way likely?

Depends. Will the schoolyard shoving match in Europe between Russia and the US escalate?

Everyone knows you don't get involved in a land war in Asia.

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Just two more and it's an even 20.

We'll do that pink one first then?

Yes, definitely.

[Wisconsin9]

18 times, three forcibly, over a span of almost two and a half centuries.

Just two more and it's an even 20.

Yeah, but with the assholes we have in charge, they'll probably be bans on flag desecration and gay marriage.

[The Romulan Republic]

The Supreme Court also once ruled that black people had no rights white people were obligated to respect.

It may be the law, and we may be obliged to respect it as such for today, but that does not mean that it is right or that the court will never revisit the decision.

And personally, I do not see how the draft cannot be considered involuntary servitude. Which is prohibited by the Constitution except as punishment for a crime.

Involuntary servitude refers to slavery. Not doing your duty as a citizen. The draft is not involuntary servitude any more tan jury duty is.

I object to the notion that being a citizen obligates me to kill or die because the government tells me to.

One does have certain obligations, of course, when residing in or being a citizen of a country. Follow the law, pay your taxes, etc. (with certain rare exemptions for civil disobedience/conscientious objectors). But to me, being put in a situation where you may be expected to kill or die is such a profound, fundamental choice that it must be a freely made choice.

Also, the wording of the 13th. Amendment is "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude..."

Which suggests that it does not regard them as synonymous.

https://www.loc.gove/rr/program/bib/our ... dment.html

[Novus America]

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?

17 times I think.

27 actually.

[Novus America]

The draft is not just about "throwing conscripts at the enemey".

I wasn't being literal.

There definitely could be a war requiring a massive increase in the number of troops needed though.

Is it in any way likely?

Yes. We have had to use it several times before.

[Conserative Morality]

Everyone knows you don't get involved in a land war in Asia.

The obvious solution is to fight it in Europe, then.

[Ifreann]

I wasn't being literal.

Is it in any way likely?

Yes. We have had to use it several times before.

That you drafted people before does not mean it is likely you will need to again.

[Yupun]

I think forcing people who does not want to serve is a bad idea for both men and women, the fact is the ones who are more likely to handle the hardships of combat are the ones who want to be in the army. I see nothing good about recruiting a person who does not even know you need to toss a grenade after you pull the pin...

Also before you go all insane there are both men and women who does not even know basic stuff!!!

[Novus America]

Involuntary servitude refers to slavery. Not doing your duty as a citizen. The draft is not involuntary servitude any more tan jury duty is.

I object to the notion that being a citizen obligates me to kill or die because the government tells me to.

One does have certain obligations, of course, when residing in or being a citizen of a country. Follow the law, pay your taxes, etc. (with certain rare exemptions for civil disobedience/conscientious objectors). But to me, being put in a situation where you may be expected to kill or die is such a profound, fundamental choice that it must be a freely made choice.

Also, the wording of the 13th. Amendment is "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude..."

Which suggests that it does not regard them as synonymous.

https://www.loc.gove/rr/program/bib/our ... dment.html

Sorry, you cannot pick and choose your duty as citizens. And you can conscientiously object to being drafted.

And the courts have disagreed with you. Sue and lose if you want.

[Novus America]

Yes. We have had to use it several times before.

That you drafted people before does not mean it is likely you will need to again.

Big wars can and do happen.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

As someone who served I do have some serious thoughts on the matter. Service was an honor and a privilege. To me. I don't expect all to feel as I did. I reject the notion that all should feel some patriotic duty to serve. If you do, by all means sign up and do your bid.

I do support combat roles being open to any woman who wishes to serve and can meet the requirements. Having been in live fire scenarios before I promise you should you find yourself in one what the person next to you has in their pants is not a thought on your mind. And just as I support women in combat roles I equally support the potential for women to be drafted into combat roles if necessary.

I do not support the draft for any and all regional conflict or peacekeeping operation. Conscription should be the last resort of a nation facing annihilation. Conscription is the last hope to prevent the death of a nation. It is a blunt tool when all other options have failed. I support conscription when a nation is threatened with the very real possibility of the end of its national sovereignty and never any time else.

But because conscription is a tool to be used only when the stakes are so high we must have the means to deploy it as quickly as possible. So I am for mandatory registration. It could be the difference between whether or not the country continues to exist. And that's the only time it should be used.

[Dooom35796821595]

That you drafted people before does not mean it is likely you will need to again.

Big wars can and do happen.

Not since the creation of nuclear weapons. Besides, Modern wars won't be very affected by how much cannon fodder each side has.

[Wasland]

Good everyone's equal.

[Ifreann]

I think forcing people who does not want to serve is a bad idea for both men and women, the fact is the ones who are more likely to handle the hardships of combat are the ones who want to be in the army. I see nothing good about recruiting a person who does not even know you need to toss a grenade after you pull the pin...

Also before you go all insane there are both men and women who does not even know basic stuff!!!

Usually people receive at least some training before being given live grenades. And if untrained conscripts were being given live grenades, then the problem isn't them, the problem is the idiots who decided to issue live grenades to untrained conscripts.

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That you drafted people before does not mean it is likely you will need to again.

Big wars can and do happen.

So I've heard. Again, this does not mean it is likely you will need to draft people again.

[Ashmoria]

Don't forget that different factions of feminists will be fighting as well. What interesting allies are made in this fight. Pro-traditionalists, and people like Lacy and Anita on one side, and Pro-equality and military(military may be divided) on the other.

Politics does sometimes lead to strange bedfellows.

well now I'm intrigued to see if that happens.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

I think forcing people who does not want to serve is a bad idea for both men and women, the fact is the ones who are more likely to handle the hardships of combat are the ones who want to be in the army. I see nothing good about recruiting a person who does not even know you need to toss a grenade after you pull the pin...

Also before you go all insane there are both men and women who does not even know basic stuff!!!

Usually people receive at least some training before being given live grenades. And if untrained conscripts were being given live grenades, then the problem isn't them, the problem is the idiots who decided to issue live grenades to untrained conscripts.

During WW2 Italian grenades had a 2 pin mechanism. When the Allies captured much of Italy the Germans sent reinforcements to help the Italian fascists. Far from the supply lines the Germans had to scavange for equipment left by the mostly broken Italian forces.

The story goes that the Germans, unfamiliar with the Italian grenade design would pull one pin and throw it. The Allies would then pick it up, remove the 2nd pin, and return the grenade.

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

I don't like the draft,but only drafting people based off what's between their legs is pretty ridiculous,so I find myself supporting this,even though no draft for anyone I would also support.

[The Romulan Republic]

I object to the notion that being a citizen obligates me to kill or die because the government tells me to.

One does have certain obligations, of course, when residing in or being a citizen of a country. Follow the law, pay your taxes, etc. (with certain rare exemptions for civil disobedience/conscientious objectors). But to me, being put in a situation where you may be expected to kill or die is such a profound, fundamental choice that it must be a freely made choice.

Also, the wording of the 13th. Amendment is "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude..."

Which suggests that it does not regard them as synonymous.

https://www.loc.gove/rr/program/bib/our ... dment.html

Sorry, you cannot pick and choose your duty as citizens.

Doesn't that effectively amount to saying "if the state tells you to do it, the state is always right"?

And you can conscientiously object to being drafted.

Yes, you can. Which is the only thing that renders it merely distasteful and offensive as opposed to utterly evil.

And the courts have disagreed with you. Sue and lose if you want.

And like I said, the courts have made wrong calls in the past.

[Novus America]

I think forcing people who does not want to serve is a bad idea for both men and women, the fact is the ones who are more likely to handle the hardships of combat are the ones who want to be in the army. I see nothing good about recruiting a person who does not even know you need to toss a grenade after you pull the pin...

Also before you go all insane there are both men and women who does not even know basic stuff!!!

Usually people receive at least some training before being given live grenades. And if untrained conscripts were being given live grenades, then the problem isn't them, the problem is the idiots who decided to issue live grenades to untrained conscripts.

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Big wars can and do happen.

So I've heard. Again, this does not mean it is likely you will need to draft people again.

However it does mean we should retain the contigency. Though we could use it now, we do not have enough troops as it is.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Usually people receive at least some training before being given live grenades. And if untrained conscripts were being given live grenades, then the problem isn't them, the problem is the idiots who decided to issue live grenades to untrained conscripts.

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So I've heard. Again, this does not mean it is likely you will need to draft people again.

However it does mean we should retain the contigency. Though we could use it now, we do not have enough troops as it is.

Enough troops for what? The United States has by a significant margin the most powerful military in the world. What national threats do we face to our sovereignty that would compel conscription?

[Chessmistress]

I see no problem with this.

The same, even if a total abolition of the draft would be even better.
I also find unworthy the idea "it doesn't matter because actually no people get drafted".

[Novus America]

However it does mean we should retain the contigency. Though we could use it now, we do not have enough troops as it is.

Enough troops for what? The United States has by a significant margin the most powerful military in the world. What national threats do we face to our sovereignty that would compel conscription?

China and Russia to name a few. Our Army is smaller than South Korea's.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Enough troops for what? The United States has by a significant margin the most powerful military in the world. What national threats do we face to our sovereignty that would compel conscription?

China and Russia to name a few. Our Army is smaller than South Korea's.

Numbers do not really win wars any more. And the US definitely does not need more soldiers.

[Dooom35796821595]

Enough troops for what? The United States has by a significant margin the most powerful military in the world. What national threats do we face to our sovereignty that would compel conscription?

China and Russia to name a few. Our Army is smaller than South Korea's.

And how would an invading army get past the most powerful navy in the world?