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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:43 pm

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
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Women are drafted in Norway and Israel too. Has not caused them any problems.


Did I say it would?


Never said you did. I was just making a general observation.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:47 pm

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So amend your constitution. It's not hard, we amend ours all the time.


Ours is hard to anmend.

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.
But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:47 pm

Novus America wrote:
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Did I say it would?


Never said you did. I was just making a general observation.


Ah sorry my bad.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:50 pm

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Ours is hard to anmend.

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.
But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?


We could also change it to make everyone wear pink. We could do it. But it is not easy and we do not want to.

And yes, while WWII wa some time ago, we have to be ready if needed.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Ours is hard to anmend.

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.
But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?

Twenty times in how many years? Do the math. It is hard enough that it has only happened that many times.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:54 pm

I think we need to clear up the difference between the draft and registry. The United States does not currently have a draft. We have not had a drsft in over 40 years.

Men of a certain age put their name on a list of potential individuals who can be drafted if a draft happens. This would add women to it as well.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:55 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?


We could also change it to make everyone wear pink. We could do it. But it is not easy and we do not want to.

Maybe you should consider the pink thing. It'd certainly be a conversation starter.

And yes, while WWII wa some time ago, we have to be ready if needed.

Do you? Is there any real possibility of a war that must be won and can only be won by throwing conscripts at the enemy?
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Ours is hard to anmend.

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.
But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?

Vaguely. Wasn't it quite a while ago?

17 times I think.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:56 pm

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The Romulan Republic wrote:I support gender equality, but would rather see the draft abolished than see it expanded. In my opinion, a draft constitutes involuntary servitude, and is thus a violation of the 13th. Amendment to the Constitution.


The draft dies not violate the 13th. At all. The courts already ruled on this.


The Supreme Court also once ruled that black people had no rights white people were obligated to respect.

It may be the law, and we may be obliged to respect it as such for today, but that does not mean that it is right or that the court will never revisit the decision.

And personally, I do not see how the draft cannot be considered involuntary servitude. Which is prohibited by the Constitution except as punishment for a crime.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:59 pm

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The draft dies not violate the 13th. At all. The courts already ruled on this.


The Supreme Court also once ruled that black people had no rights white people were obligated to respect.

It may be the law, and we may be obliged to respect it as such for today, but that does not mean that it is right or that the court will never revisit the decision.

And personally, I do not see how the draft cannot be considered involuntary servitude. Which is prohibited by the Constitution except as punishment for a crime.


Involuntary servitude refers to slavery. Not doing your duty as a citizen. The draft is not involuntary servitude any more tan jury duty is.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.

10 of those were immediately after it was made. 3 were after a long and bloody civil war. The last one proposed that actually passed was in the early 70s.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:01 pm

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:17 times I think.

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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:01 pm

Novus America wrote:
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The Supreme Court also once ruled that black people had no rights white people were obligated to respect.

It may be the law, and we may be obliged to respect it as such for today, but that does not mean that it is right or that the court will never revisit the decision.

And personally, I do not see how the draft cannot be considered involuntary servitude. Which is prohibited by the Constitution except as punishment for a crime.


Involuntary servitude refers to slavery. Not doing your duty as a citizen. The draft is not involuntary servitude any more tan jury duty is.

Well juries in other courtrooms aren't shooting at you.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:01 pm

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We could also change it to make everyone wear pink. We could do it. But it is not easy and we do not want to.

Maybe you should consider the pink thing. It'd certainly be a conversation starter.

And yes, while WWII wa some time ago, we have to be ready if needed.

Do you? Is there any real possibility of a war that must be won and can only be won by throwing conscripts at the enemy?


The draft is not just about "throwing conscripts at the enemey". There definitely could be a war requiring a massive increase in the number of troops needed though.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:02 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Shaggy Dog Story wrote:17 times I think.

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Weren't the first 10 all done as once not 10 separate times?

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:02 pm

I don't see an issue here.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:04 pm

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:Weren't the first 10 all done as once not 10 separate times?

If we're counting like that it'd be 18 times.
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Shaggy Dog Story wrote:Weren't the first 10 all done as once not 10 separate times?

If we're counting like that it'd be 18 times.

You are correct sir, my error.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:07 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe you should consider the pink thing. It'd certainly be a conversation starter.


Do you? Is there any real possibility of a war that must be won and can only be won by throwing conscripts at the enemy?


The draft is not just about "throwing conscripts at the enemey".

I wasn't being literal.
There definitely could be a war requiring a massive increase in the number of troops needed though.

Is it in any way likely?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Ours is hard to anmend.

Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.

18 times, three forcibly, over a span of almost two and a half centuries.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:08 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Yet you've done it, what, 20ish times? I'm confident you could manage another.

18 times, three forcibly, over a span of almost two and a half centuries.

Just two more and it's an even 20. :)
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:09 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:18 times, three forcibly, over a span of almost two and a half centuries.

Just two more and it's an even 20. :)

Good luck getting the required numbers to do it, though.
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Ifreann wrote:Is it in any way likely?

Depends. Will the schoolyard shoving match in Europe between Russia and the US escalate?
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:18 times, three forcibly, over a span of almost two and a half centuries.

Just two more and it's an even 20. :)

We'll do that pink one first then?

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Because they are not really pro-equality.

That can be gathered from their positions, but I'd like to hear it in the terms of radical feminists themselves and not their detractors.

total and utter horseshit from that bitch.
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