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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:15 am

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The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I wonder how this would work out. Is everybody of draftable age required to register now, or is it only those within a specific range? Any problems with this, seeing as it's very unlikely the SSS will ever be reactivated?
What is the upper limit?

I believe the age range of conscription in case a draft is imposed would be 18-25.

Oh.
Well, draft time for me... :( in never
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Postby Ifrana » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:17 am

Frenline Delpha wrote:This is the equality Feminists seem to be banging on about. Now to wait and see CM's response.

Anyways, I would prefer no draft, but if males have to sign up, why don't females?

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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:30 am

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Frenline Delpha wrote:This is the equality Feminists seem to be banging on about. Now to wait and see CM's response.

Anyways, I would prefer no draft, but if males have to sign up, why don't females?

Someone has to manage the home front

Couldn't that be done by anyone over the age of 25?

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Postby The Eleventh United Mayan Republic » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:32 am

this seams like a reasonable idea
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Postby Bhut Jolok » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:40 am

Why not just require everyone to register?
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:40 am

How about we just don't draft anyone.

Or even have a military.

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Postby Agerland » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:44 am

As long as we don't have quotas. Physical differences would mean lowering bars in certain areas, which isn't a great option in the military.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:47 am

I disagree with the draft in general, but if we're going to have the fucking thing, then everyone eligible to serve should be required to register.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:51 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:I disagree with the draft in general, but if we're going to have the fucking thing, then everyone eligible to serve should be required to register.

Nope. If we're going to have the draft, then only old white men who serve as federal legislators should be required to register.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:58 am

Ifreann wrote:Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

The power of the draft is constitutional, it can't be abolished. It can not be used, but it can't actually be abolished without an amendment.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:08 pm

Noraika wrote:Personally I think this is a good idea. Its useful for education and skills training, instills discipline, serves the interests of the nation, and even possibly assists with networking, among other things, to have all citizens (male, female, other) serve in the military. Personally speaking, I'd rather a country simply had conscription where, at the age of 19, or at completion of secondary education, whichever comes sooner, every citizen who was physically able had to serve one year in the military.

In most developed nations, much of the infrastructure and services which the people rely on (healthcare, infrastructure, transportation, utilities, et cetera) only exist to the extent and quality they do because of the state, and this is just the people giving back to the state through their service and commitment to its defense.

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Favourite colour is also a very important question to know about possible military recruits, so we need that as the third question. :lol2:


I agree. It would not be politically feasible, but I think we should have an active draft system like Israel, Norway, Switzerland and Singpore.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:16 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:I disagree with the draft in general, but if we're going to have the fucking thing, then everyone eligible to serve should be required to register.

Nope. If we're going to have the draft, then only old white men who serve as federal legislators should be required to register.


That's going to be quite the pathetic defence force.....
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:20 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I disagree with the draft in general, but if we're going to have the fucking thing, then everyone eligible to serve should be required to register.

Nope. If we're going to have the draft, then only old white men who serve as federal legislators should be required to register.


Think you'll find most of them did when they were the young men straight out of school. It's only been the last few decades where most haven't been the young men who did and went to war aswell.

Hey if women are allowed in combat roles in the USA then why not? could have allowed them before hand even in the last few years. There are plenty of roles both combat and elsewhere in the forces.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:22 pm

I support gender equality, but would rather see the draft abolished than see it expanded. In my opinion, a draft constitutes involuntary servitude, and is thus a violation of the 13th. Amendment to the Constitution.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:27 pm

Ifrana wrote:
Frenline Delpha wrote:This is the equality Feminists seem to be banging on about. Now to wait and see CM's response.

Anyways, I would prefer no draft, but if males have to sign up, why don't females?

Someone has to manage the home front

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Ifreann wrote:Or, you know, nobody registers and nobody gets drafted. That'd be good too.

The power of the draft is constitutional, it can't be abolished. It can not be used, but it can't actually be abolished without an amendment.

So amend your constitution. It's not hard, we amend ours all the time.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:30 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:I support gender equality, but would rather see the draft abolished than see it expanded. In my opinion, a draft constitutes involuntary servitude, and is thus a violation of the 13th. Amendment to the Constitution.


The draft dies not violate the 13th. At all. The courts already ruled on this.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ifrana wrote:Someone has to manage the home front

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United Marxist Nations wrote:The power of the draft is constitutional, it can't be abolished. It can not be used, but it can't actually be abolished without an amendment.

So amend your constitution. It's not hard, we amend ours all the time.


Ours is hard to anmend. But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:32 pm

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Nope. If we're going to have the draft, then only old white men who serve as federal legislators should be required to register.


Think you'll find most of them did when they were the young men straight out of school. It's only been the last few decades where most haven't been the young men who did and went to war aswell.

Hey if women are allowed in combat roles in the USA then why not? could have allowed them before hand even in the last few years. There are plenty of roles both combat and elsewhere in the forces.


Women are drafted in Norway and Israel too. Has not caused them any problems.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:34 pm

If we are going to have a draft, it should absolutely include women.
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Postby Targovia » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:35 pm

Awesome, now everybody can REALLY be equal.

Besides, if you ask me, women in the service can really boost the moral.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:35 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
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So amend your constitution. It's not hard, we amend ours all the time.


Ours is hard to anmend. But we are not going to. The draft is a vital tool. Remember that WWII thing?

Yeah, the thing that ended seventy years ago.

Ifreann wrote:
Ifrana wrote:Someone has to manage the home front

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United Marxist Nations wrote:The power of the draft is constitutional, it can't be abolished. It can not be used, but it can't actually be abolished without an amendment.

So amend your constitution. It's not hard, we amend ours all the time.

It takes either two thirds of both houses of Congress or two thirds of the states just to propose an amendment.
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:36 pm

Novus America wrote:
United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
Think you'll find most of them did when they were the young men straight out of school. It's only been the last few decades where most haven't been the young men who did and went to war aswell.

Hey if women are allowed in combat roles in the USA then why not? could have allowed them before hand even in the last few years. There are plenty of roles both combat and elsewhere in the forces.


Women are drafted in Norway and Israel too. Has not caused them any problems.


Did I say it would?
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:36 pm

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Nope. If we're going to have the draft, then only old white men who serve as federal legislators should be required to register.


Think you'll find most of them did when they were the young men straight out of school. It's only been the last few decades where most haven't been the young men who did and went to war aswell.

https://veterans.house.gov/veterans-con ... h-congress
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Postby The balkens » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:36 pm

Hey, you wanted equality? Welcome to the same boat!

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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:40 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
Think you'll find most of them did when they were the young men straight out of school. It's only been the last few decades where most haven't been the young men who did and went to war aswell.

https://veterans.house.gov/veterans-con ... h-congress


What am I meant to be seeing. I was talking about signing up for the draft and said myself most of those in now are not veterans.
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