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What should be the next title of the Libertarian Discussion Thread?

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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Would You Kindly?
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:07 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That doesn't make her wrong, though.


I don't think I have ever heard a stopped-clock moment from her. Ever.

Generally because she's almost always right.
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
I don't think I have ever heard a stopped-clock moment from her. Ever.

Generally because she's almost always right.


Stopped clock implies that isn't the case. The issue is she manages to be a clock that is wrong all the time because of some strange phenomenon called "I can't be right".
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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
I don't think I have ever heard a stopped-clock moment from her. Ever.

Generally because she's almost always right.

Why do you think that? Rand's whole philosophy is the most fundamentally anti-Catholic thing there is. The heroic individual and their will and the rational pursuit of their own happiness are everything. God and His laws are held in contempt.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:49 pm

Satan is always recruiting converts.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanism-a ... tivism.php
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:15 am

When populists beat experts in the debate but not on the field:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/14/inter ... et-neutral

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:26 pm

Agritum wrote:When populists beat experts in the debate but not on the field:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/14/inter ... et-neutral


People are being hysterical. Just like after brexit, or Trump's election. (I don't support Trump but I never bought into the insane idea that he'd become Hitler or something.)
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:43 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Generally because she's almost always right.

Why do you think that? Rand's whole philosophy is the most fundamentally anti-Catholic thing there is. The heroic individual and their will and the rational pursuit of their own happiness are everything. God and His laws are held in contempt.

Hence why I included the 'almost'.
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Postby Shikihara » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:43 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Satan is always recruiting converts.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanism-a ... tivism.php


Nietzsche is better, for some of the reasons mentioned.

There really should be a Satanic Discussion Thread, but unfortunately I'm too lazy.
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>implying there's anything wrong with this


Deregulating is supposed to stop monopolies how exactly?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:50 pm

Shikihara wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Satan is always recruiting converts.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanism-a ... tivism.php


Nietzsche is better, for some of the reasons mentioned.

There really should be a Satanic Discussion Thread, but unfortunately I'm too lazy.
Northern Davincia wrote:>implying there's anything wrong with this


Deregulating is supposed to stop monopolies how exactly?

Who benefits the most from heavy regulations? Large corporations. What is the most likely to become a monopoly? A large corporation.
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Postby Shikihara » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Who benefits the most from heavy regulations? Large corporations.


What regulations are we talking about? Because there are a lot of regulations, such as ones recently repealed by Trump, which did not benefit the coal industries.
Northern Davincia wrote:What is the most likely to become a monopoly? A large corporation.


But somehow getting rid of regulation is going to prevent these corporations from forming them.

These are quite bizarre leaps in logic. :blink:
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Why do you think that? Rand's whole philosophy is the most fundamentally anti-Catholic thing there is. The heroic individual and their will and the rational pursuit of their own happiness are everything. God and His laws are held in contempt.

Hence why I included the 'almost'.

Fair enough. I suppose that apart from both schools of thought fundamentally opposing each other in every meaningful way, they're really quite compatible.
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:58 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Agritum wrote:When populists beat experts in the debate but not on the field:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/14/inter ... et-neutral


People are being hysterical. Just like after brexit, or Trump's election. (I don't support Trump but I never bought into the insane idea that he'd become Hitler or something.)

Economists and law experts did say Brexit would be a cluster fuck like it is showing to be right now, unlike with NN.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:13 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:t. never heard of regulatory capture ever
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Postby Agritum » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:12 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:t. never heard of regulatory capture ever

Basically Keynesianism.

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Postby Janszoonia » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:58 am

Agritum wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:

Basically Keynesianism.

Keynesianism: A boat is submerged, let's move water from one side to another. :rofl:
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Postby Elwher » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:36 am

Janszoonia wrote:
Agritum wrote:Basically Keynesianism.

Keynesianism: A boat is submerged, let's move water from one side to another. :rofl:


Keynesianism: - The Daylight Savings Time of economics
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:46 pm

Some of our more left wing regulars of this thread might be interested in this.

An article by Benjamin Tucker in the early anarchist magazine "Liberty" about the differences between state and non-state socialists.

Why am I interested in it? Because he makes a lot of references to how "state" socialism is simply one giant monopoly replacing a lot of smaller monopolies.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:59 pm

Elwher wrote:
Janszoonia wrote:Keynesianism: A boat is submerged, let's move water from one side to another. :rofl:


Keynesianism: - The Daylight Savings Time of economics

That's twice as aggravating.
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Postby Shikihara » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:23 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Some of our more left wing regulars of this thread might be interested in this.

An article by Benjamin Tucker in the early anarchist magazine "Liberty" about the differences between state and non-state socialists.

Why am I interested in it? Because he makes a lot of references to how "state" socialism is simply one giant monopoly replacing a lot of smaller monopolies.


Swallowing the anarcho-pill, TLT? :p
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Postby Janszoonia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Shikihara wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Some of our more left wing regulars of this thread might be interested in this.

An article by Benjamin Tucker in the early anarchist magazine "Liberty" about the differences between state and non-state socialists.

Why am I interested in it? Because he makes a lot of references to how "state" socialism is simply one giant monopoly replacing a lot of smaller monopolies.


Swallowing the anarcho-pill, TLT? :p

There are two ideologies in the world, anarchism and fascism. Plain and simple.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:22 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Some of our more left wing regulars of this thread might be interested in this.

An article by Benjamin Tucker in the early anarchist magazine "Liberty" about the differences between state and non-state socialists.

Why am I interested in it? Because he makes a lot of references to how "state" socialism is simply one giant monopoly replacing a lot of smaller monopolies.


He was a moralist pleb. Only worth reading because he takes ideas from a certain someone.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:37 pm

Janszoonia wrote:
Shikihara wrote:
Swallowing the anarcho-pill, TLT? :p

There are two ideologies in the world, anarchism and fascism. Plain and simple.
Are you joking?
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Postby Mattopilos II » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:38 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Janszoonia wrote:There are two ideologies in the world, anarchism and fascism. Plain and simple.
Are you joking?


They are joking. It is making fun of the idea of politics in the sense people have a "with us or against us" attitude to things.
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“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
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Postby Janszoonia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:38 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Janszoonia wrote:There are two ideologies in the world, anarchism and fascism. Plain and simple.
Are you joking?

It's basic, and I'm not. You are either for freedom (anarchism), or total state control (fascism).
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:39 pm

Janszoonia wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Are you joking?

It's basic, and I'm not. You are either for freedom (anarchism), or total state control (fascism).
Well someone isn’t a libertarian
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