Libertarian Discussion Thread

[West Verrica]

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[Noxtrem]

I'm a libertarian, and I read quite a bit about my ideology, I happen to find Bastiat, David Boaz, and Ayn Rand to be great authors to read when it comes to Libertarianism and Free Market Policy. Do you guys have preferred authors for our ideology, or recommend novels?

When it comes to the presidential election, I am not willing to support anyone who has already been in a government office on a state or federal level. I would rather see McAfee or Petersen than I would Johnson. Besides, Johnson is at best a "Republican-lite".

Why is experience a con in your book?

Because in my mind, hold a government office in the USA generally means you had to make some kind of deal, or a bribe of some sort. I don't necessarily think that Johnson is the type to do that. But the amount of rampant corruption in the Government of the USA makes me feel like anybody who has been involved with the government is more likey to support the establishment or preserve the government because they fear losing their status. Or they might be bought out by the government. I suppose I'm just extremely anti-establishment.

Johnson is also fairly Un-Libertarian in some aspects. He believes that we should force Jewish Bakers to make Nazi Cakes (or the other way around.).

[West Verrica]

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[Noxtrem]

Because in my mind, hold a government office in the USA generally means you had to make some kind of deal, or a bribe of some sort. I don't necessarily think that Johnson is the type to do that. But the amount of rampant corruption in the Government of the USA makes me feel like anybody who has been involved with the government is more likey to support the establishment or preserve the government because they fear losing their status. Or they might be bought out by the government. I suppose I'm just extremely anti-establishment.

That's an interesting perspective.

Whats your opinion on the issue? Do you view time in the government and experience in office as a pro or a con?

[West Verrica]

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[Skappola]

Gary Johnson won the primary!

[Nationalist Gold Union]

Gary Johnson won the primary!

Sh*t.

[Kelinfort]

Gary Johnson won the primary!

Was there ever any doubt?

And thank Jesus that prick Petersen lost.

[Noxtrem]

Gary Johnson won the primary!

End my suffering.

Gary Johnson won the primary!

Sh*t.

Dear god, help us.

[The Liberated Territories]

yawn

Now, we wait for the veep. There's probably going to be mass revolt if it is Weld.

[Noxtrem]

yawn

Now, we wait for the veep. There's probably going to be mass revolt if it is Weld.

I hate weld.

[Skappola]

yawn

Now, we wait for the veep. There's probably going to be mass revolt if it is Weld.

Johnson said he won't run w/o Weld.

[Noxtrem]

yawn

Now, we wait for the veep. There's probably going to be mass revolt if it is Weld.

I hate weld.

[Skappola]

yawn

Now, we wait for the veep. There's probably going to be mass revolt if it is Weld.

I hate weld.

I love weld.

[West Verrica]

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[Noxtrem]

I hate weld.

I love weld.

He is a "republican lite" at best.

[Skappola]

I love weld.

He is a "republican lite" at best.

Yeah, he's more of a classical liberal than a Libertarian. He gets us funding, though, and he was a pretty good governor to boot.

[West Verrica]

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[Skappola]

He is a "republican lite" at best.

I think what he lacks in ideological purity he gains in electability and the ability to gain funds. Coley seems really cool too though.

I actually like Coley as well. Would certainly make a splash with a Muslim vice president up against Trump.

[Germanic Templars]

So guys, guys. A few weeks ago I was looking up what a Libertarian is, and it turns out I align with a majority of what makes up a Libertarian is... So I might, most likely be a Libertarian... That aligns to the right, of course.

Also who is Weld?

[West Verrica]

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[Skappola]

So guys, guys. A few weeks ago I was looking up what a Libertarian is, and it turns out I align with a majority of what makes up a Libertarian is... So I might, most likely be a Libertarian... That aligns to the right, of course.

Also who is Weld?

He's a former two-term Republican governor of Massachusetts who is running for Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate with Gary Johnson. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but his views on gun control and the fact that he only joined the Libertarian Party a couple weeks ago are drawing some ire from some Libertarians. He also endorsed John Kasich.

I personally don't mind - he's long since sworn off his former legislation on gun control, and he adds a lot of fundraising ability to the ticket. Plus, I personally like John Kasich.

[The Liberated Territories]

He is a "republican lite" at best.

Yeah, he's more of a classical liberal than a Libertarian. He gets us funding, though, and he was a pretty good governor to boot.

I don't get this distinction, between "classical liberal" and libertarian. Both classical liberalism (today, neoliberalism) and libertarianism are huge categories of thought, right-libertarianism converges on both. E.g. Nock, a classical liberal and geoist, was the first to call himself a libertarian in the modern sense in America. Later Milton Friedman and von Mises (?) adopted this label, although Mises continued to prefer the label of liberal. Classical liberalism doesn't exist, if it did, it'd be archaic.

Classical liberals in Europe, are today neoliberals (see: neo-(classical) liberals.) Classical liberalism no longer exists, but has morphed into many modern currents of thinking, libertarianism is one of them, neoliberalism is another, social liberalism as a third, liberal conservatism, and so on. The basics of classical liberalism is accepted by all of the above: 1.) respect for life, 2.) respect for liberty, 3.) respect for property to various degrees. It's the minutae that differentiate these schools of thought, otherwise they are all under the category of liberalism.

[The Liberated Territories]

So guys, guys. A few weeks ago I was looking up what a Libertarian is, and it turns out I align with a majority of what makes up a Libertarian is... So I might, most likely be a Libertarian... That aligns to the right, of course.

Also who is Weld?

He's a former two-term Republican governor of Massachusetts who is running for Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate with Gary Johnson. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but his views on gun control and the fact that he only joined the Libertarian Party a couple weeks ago are drawing some ire from some Libertarians. He also endorsed John Kasich.

I personally don't mind - he's long since sworn off his former legislation on gun control, and he adds a lot of fundraising ability to the ticket. Plus, I personally like John Kasich.

Many libertarians dislike John Kasich for robbing the Libertarian Party of a run for governor in Ohio by doing some last minute legislative wankery called the John Kasich Reelection Act (not the name).

http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/17/repub ... lf-a-milli

[Skappola]

Yeah, he's more of a classical liberal than a Libertarian. He gets us funding, though, and he was a pretty good governor to boot.

I don't get this distinction, between "classical liberal" and libertarian. Both classical liberalism (today, neoliberalism) and libertarianism are huge categories of thought, right-libertarianism converges on both. E.g. Nock, a classical liberal and geoist, was the first to call himself a libertarian in the modern sense in America. Later Milton Friedman and von Mises (?) adopted this label, although Mises continued to prefer the label of liberal. Classical liberalism doesn't exist, if it did, it'd be archaic.

Classical liberals in Europe, are today neoliberals (see: neo-(classical) liberals.) Classical liberalism no longer exists, but has morphed into many modern currents of thinking, libertarianism is one of them, neoliberalism is another, social liberalism as a third, liberal conservatism, and so on. The basics of classical liberalism is accepted by all of the above: 1.) respect for life, 2.) respect for liberty, 3.) respect for property to various degrees. It's the minutae that differentiate these schools of thought, otherwise they are all under the category of liberalism.

Fair enough, that probably isn't the best term for him. What would you use?