Libertarian Discussion Thread

[USS Monitor]

A lot can happen in 12 years.

I am eligible in 2020, but I doubt loading trucks and moderating NSG is considered a strong resume.

Battling the Merrimack has to count for something. You protected our freedoms. You know, 'MURRICA and all that.

If ships could run for president, the Monitor would already be eligible. It actually has crossed my mind to file FEC paperwork on her behalf and see if I can get her included in polls.

[Thermodolia]

I won't be eligible until 2028, so I guess that's plenty of time for me to change my mind

A lot can happen in 12 years.

I am eligible in 2020, but I doubt loading trucks and moderating NSG is considered a strong resume.

I won't be eligible to run until 2032

[Orekhovo]

LDT - I hope you can clear something up for me. What, if anything, is the main doctrinal difference between Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism? I'm only versed in CL philosophy, which is why I've come here.

[New confederate ramenia]

LDT - I hope you can clear something up for me. What, if anything, is the main doctrinal difference between Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism? I'm only versed in CL philosophy, which is why I've come here.

Libertarianism is somewhat more diverse for one. Many libertarians don't want representative democracy, too many civil liberties, and many don't believe in utilitarianism, natural law or progress. Also libertarian socialists don't even want capitalism.

Also (and this isn't a doctrinal difference) CL is old, Libertarianism is modern and new. CL is 18th and 19th century, libertarianism is now.

[Nubasia]

is there any OG libertarians here or is populated by the """"right-libertarians""""?

[New confederate ramenia]

is there any OG libertarians here or is populated by the """"right-libertarians""""?

I'm supportive of mutualism syndicalism to an extent and geoism but I don't post here often.

[Nubasia]

is there any OG libertarians here or is populated by the """"right-libertarians""""?

I'm supportive of mutualism syndicalism to an extent and geoism but I don't post here often.

isn't geoism the belief that the land value tax will solve all of our problems?

[New confederate ramenia]

I'm supportive of mutualism syndicalism to an extent and geoism but I don't post here often.

isn't geoism the belief that the land value tax will solve all of our problems?

That's what you get if you simplify everything but basically yeah.

[Nubasia]

isn't geoism the belief that the land value tax will solve all of our problems?

That's what you get if you simplify everything but basically yeah.

how in the everliving daylights will that work?

[Orekhovo]

LDT - I hope you can clear something up for me. What, if anything, is the main doctrinal difference between Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism? I'm only versed in CL philosophy, which is why I've come here.

Libertarianism is somewhat more diverse for one. Many libertarians don't want representative democracy, too many civil liberties, and many don't believe in utilitarianism, natural law or progress. Also libertarian socialists don't even want capitalism.

Also (and this isn't a doctrinal difference) CL is old, Libertarianism is modern and new. CL is 18th and 19th century, libertarianism is now.

Thanks for the response qt, clears that up quite well.

[New confederate ramenia]

That's what you get if you simplify everything but basically yeah.

how in the everliving daylights will that work?

It doesn't make sense if you just start out with the LVT. The basis is the idea that no individual can actually own land, so land is a communal thing. Using land and excluding others from it (private property) is "stealing" it from everyone else, so landowners pay the LVT to compensate others.

LVT also has less harmful effects than many other taxes.

[The RODina]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

[New confederate ramenia]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

Gary Johnson is sort of an idiot, but a vote for him isn't really a vote for him, it's a vote for the Libertarian party and ideology. He's obviously not going to win, so the point of a LP vote isn't to win, it's to increase awareness of the LP and Libertarian ideology, to show support, and to eventually break the two party system.

[The RODina]

is there any OG libertarians here or is populated by the """"right-libertarians""""?

Sorry but you need to be for property rights and free markets to be a libertarian, otherwise you are deluded. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[USS Monitor]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

Look who he's running against.

[The RODina]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

Gary Johnson is sort of an idiot, but a vote for him isn't really a vote for him, it's a vote for the Libertarian party and ideology. He's obviously not going to win, so the point of a LP vote isn't to win, it's to increase awareness of the LP and Libertarian ideology, to show support, and to eventually break the two party system.

Really good point as a matter of fact

[Nubasia]

is there any OG libertarians here or is populated by the """"right-libertarians""""?

Sorry but you need to be for property rights and free markets to be a libertarian, otherwise you are deluded. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

You realize libertarians were anti-property socialists in France, right?

[The RODina]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

Look who he's running against.

What's wrong with trump
Also hows the CSS Virginia these days

[New confederate ramenia]

While I don't necessarily consider myself a libertarian, i really want to know if you guys support Gary Johnson, and furthermore, if you do, i want to know how a self respecting libertarian can support a candidate who is anti gun like Johnson

Look who he's running against.

That's the argument Trump supporters and Hillary supporters also use. "At least Trump isn't a super corrupt career politician who's ruining this country!" "At least Clinton isn't a racist bigot and entitled billionaire who's dividing this country!"

BTW Trump 2016

[USS Monitor]

Look who he's running against.

What's wrong with trump

He's bigoted, dishonest, psychologically unbalanced, authoritarian, and incompetent.

Also hows the CSS Virginia these days

Got scuttled and burned by those lousy secesh she was hanging out with. That's why you shouldn't hang out with people like that.

[The RODina]

Sorry but you need to be for property rights and free markets to be a libertarian, otherwise you are deluded. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

You realize libertarians were anti-property socialists in France, right?

Libertarianism in the modern sense is by definition pro property rights
Either you are an anarcho communist (which is a natural laughable and pathetic pipe dream) or you are a Marxist. Neither of which are modern libertarians. Please don't dilute and pollute every single damn ideology with your leftist nonsense. Words for ideologies have meaning, please learn and use the modern and understood vernacular

[Nubasia]

You realize libertarians were anti-property socialists in France, right?

Libertarianism in the modern sense is by definition pro property rights
Either you are an anarcho communist (which is a natural laughable and pathetic pipe dream) or you are a Marxist. Neither of which are modern libertarians. Please don't dilute and pollute every single damn ideology with your leftist nonsense. Words for ideologies have meaning, please learn and use the modern and understood vernacular

No True Scotsman fallacy.

[The RODina]

What's wrong with trump

He's bigoted, dishonest, psychologically unbalanced, authoritarian, and incompetent.

Also hows the CSS Virginia these days

Got scuttled and burned by those lousy secesh she was hanging out with. That's why you shouldn't hang out with people like that.

Oh look, it is the same tired leftist buzzwords against trump. There is absolutely no evidence for any of those.
He is the most honest person to run for president in the last hundred years.

[The RODina]

Libertarianism in the modern sense is by definition pro property rights
Either you are an anarcho communist (which is a natural laughable and pathetic pipe dream) or you are a Marxist. Neither of which are modern libertarians. Please don't dilute and pollute every single damn ideology with your leftist nonsense. Words for ideologies have meaning, please learn and use the modern and understood vernacular

No True Scotsman fallacy.

Not an argument

[Nubasia]

He's bigoted, dishonest, psychologically unbalanced, authoritarian, and incompetent.



Got scuttled and burned by those lousy secesh she was hanging out with. That's why you shouldn't hang out with people like that.

Oh look, it is the same tired leftist buzzwords against trump. There is absolutely no evidence for any of those.
He is the most honest person to run for president in the last hundred years.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... -lies-lies
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... uptcy-lies
http://trumplies.com/
This is rather false.