Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Elwher]

If open borders came with the elimination of all social welfare programs for anyone, not just immigrants, then I would agree with you. As long as I, as a taxpayer, am expected to involuntarily support those who do not work or those who cannot properly run a business, then there is nothing wrong with my limiting the numbers who I wish to support.

Immigrants are less likely to live off welfare than natives.

That may well be true, but unless the percentage is 0 adding them still increases the total number of people living off welfare.

[Irona]

Immigrants are less likely to live off welfare than natives.

That may well be true, but unless the percentage is 0 adding them still increases the total number of people living off welfare.

But overall it reduces the welfare burden because more people are added who pay tax, than live off welfare.

[The Liberated Territories]

Immigrants are less likely to live off welfare than natives.

That may well be true, but unless the percentage is 0 adding them still increases the total number of people living off welfare.

Why not stop people from having children? That also decreases total number of welfare users.

[The Parkus Empire]

Welfare is not really as big of a problem as libertarians make it out to be. Moreover reproduction is important for producing laborers. Outsourcing is going on partially because there isn't enough domestic reproduction.

[The Parkus Empire]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Rothbard would strongly disagree.

[The Parkus Empire]

Even with maintaining some welfare, I think another viable option is implementing a consumption tax of sort, which would affect everyone, not just legal citizens. I can't see how open borders would work in any socialist system though. Even Sweden is having a hard time picking between a welfare state and open borders.

Socialism is not the same as a welfare state. In socialism, everyone who is able is legally forced to work.

[Nulla Bellum]

>Politicizing death

>not acknowledging there are specific reasons behind unnecessary death

>not acknowledging socialist demogoguery about the deaths of people they never gave af about

[Nulla Bellum]

>Politicizing death

>not acknowledging there are specific reasons behind unnecessary death

>not acknowledging socialist demogoguery about the deaths of people they never gave af about

[Nulla Bellum]

Can't have open borders AND a welfare state, as Friedman said. Gimme some trucks and I'll get Mexico and Central America here faster.

I tell conservatives I'm for open borders BECAUSE it will destroy the welfare state. Bankrupt them bitches.

>intentionally bankrupting your own country

how will libertarians afford child slaves if their savings and assets are wiped out?

The same way we do now. Free trade with China.

[Darussalam]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Immigration has externalities in that some immigrants bring better institution and norms to the country they migrate, while others worsen it. The assumption that the world will be far richer than it is today if the countries agree to open their borders is correct insofar as the institutions don't change.

That said, I'm definitely pro-liberalization of immigration, although with checks in place to address the externalities.

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Rothbard would strongly disagree.

The propertarian argument against immigration is completely nonsensical, Rothbard and Hoppe were (and are) just virtue signaling to fellow paleo""libertarians"".

[Nulla Bellum]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Immigration has externalities in that some immigrants bring better institution and norms to the country they migrate, while others worsen it. The assumption that the world will be far richer than it is today if the countries agree to open their borders is correct insofar as the institutions don't change.

That said, I'm definitely pro-liberalization of immigration, although with checks in place to address the externalities.

Rothbard would strongly disagree.

The propertarian argument against immigration is completely nonsensical, Rothbard and Hoppe were (and are) just virtue signaling to fellow paleo""libertarians"".

Thank you.

[The Liberated Territories]

Some options for the next thread:

Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
LDT II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes

[Sovaal]

Some options for the next thread:

Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
LDT II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes

Bruh, LDT II: Would You Kindly?

[Northern Davincia]

Some options for the next thread:

Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
LDT II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes

Some options for the next thread:

Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
LDT II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes

Bruh, LDY II: Would You Kindly?

All of these have earned my favor.

[The Parkus Empire]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Immigration has externalities in that some immigrants bring better institution and norms to the country they migrate, while others worsen it. The assumption that the world will be far richer than it is today if the countries agree to open their borders is correct insofar as the institutions don't change.

That said, I'm definitely pro-liberalization of immigration, although with checks in place to address the externalities.

Rothbard would strongly disagree.

The propertarian argument against immigration is completely nonsensical, Rothbard and Hoppe were (and are) just virtue signaling to fellow paleo""libertarians"".

Ron Paul is a paleolibertarian. It's the only form that's worth anything

[Darussalam]

Ron Paul is a paleolibertarian. It's the only form that's worth anything

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one (although Americans overall are actually fairly sympathetic to immigration - just not the Juche Rust Belt voters). So?

[The Liberated Territories]

Ron Paul is a paleolibertarian. It's the only form that's worth anything

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one. So?

In fact, immigration restrictionism is far more popular.

But no libertarian position has ever been popular, so we aren't losing anything.

[Darussalam]

In fact, immigration restrictionism is far more popular.

But no libertarian position has ever been popular, so we aren't losing anything.

I'm not an American anyway so American political dynamism is even less relevant to my personal political views.

[The Liberated Territories]

In fact, immigration restrictionism is far more popular.

But no libertarian position has ever been popular, so we aren't losing anything.

I'm not an American anyway so American political dynamism is even less relevant to my personal political views.

Interesting. Where from, if you don't mind?

[Northern Davincia]

Ron Paul is a paleolibertarian. It's the only form that's worth anything

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one (although Americans overall are actually fairly sympathetic to immigration - just not the Juche Rust Belt voters). So?

Ron Paul is one of the greatest congressmen to ever live.

[The Liberated Territories]

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one (although Americans overall are actually fairly sympathetic to immigration - just not the Juche Rust Belt voters). So?

Ron Paul is one of the greatest congressmen to ever live.

Ehhh

[The Parkus Empire]

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one. So?

In fact, immigration restrictionism is far more popular.

But no libertarian position has ever been popular, so we aren't losing anything.

That's because your position sux. Look at you, saying the American people need to reproduce less, while simultaneously shilling for importing third worlders

[Albrenia]

In fact, immigration restrictionism is far more popular.

But no libertarian position has ever been popular, so we aren't losing anything.

That's because your position sux. Look at you, saying the American people need to reproduce less, while simultaneously shilling for importing third worlders

I don't think he was saying the position didn't suck, just that it was coherent.

[Orostan]

Welfare is not really as big of a problem as libertarians make it out to be. Moreover reproduction is important for producing laborers. Outsourcing is going on partially because there isn't enough domestic reproduction.

No, outsourcing is happening because labor costs less elsewhere.

Ron Paul is, of course, barely worth anything

Nobody's saying that a coherent libertarian position on immigration would be a popular one (although Americans overall are actually fairly sympathetic to immigration - just not the Juche Rust Belt voters). So?

Ron Paul is one of the greatest congressmen to ever live.

Ron "its the central bankers" Paul is economically illiterate. He thinks that the Federal Reserve causes crisis by fucking with the money supply (already proved wrong by Marx) in addition to actually thinking Austrian Economics describes the real world.

[The Parkus Empire]

That's because your position sux. Look at you, saying the American people need to reproduce less, while simultaneously shilling for importing third worlders

I don't think he was saying the position didn't suck, just that it was coherent.

Which it ain't.