Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Taihei Tengoku]

"bourgeois" is just French for "townie"

[Hammer Britannia]

"bourgeois" is just French for "townie"

gg, you beat both of us.

[Nulla Bellum]

"bourgeois" is just French for "townie"

gg, you beat both of us.

shopkeepers and distributors, salesmen and marketeers, the facilities of voluntary exchange

[Great Minarchistan]

"bourgeois" is just French for "townie"

Bourgeois are literally people that lived on walled cities, hence gated communities

[Sovaal]

"bourgeois" is just French for "townie"

Bourgeois are literally people that lived on walled cities, hence gated communities

So if I hold a wall arounf my doomsday bunker home do I get a membership card?

[Irona]

The real answer is that 'class' has multiple meanings, and definitions, all of which are correct depending on context.

[Northern Davincia]

Bourgeois are literally people that lived on walled cities, hence gated communities

So if I hold a wall arounf my doomsday bunker home do I get a membership card?

Welcome to the Libertarian Spittoon, how tough are ya'?

[Sovaal]

The real answer is that 'class' has multiple meanings, and definitions, all of which are correct depending on context.

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

[Sovaal]

So if I hold a wall arounf my doomsday bunker home do I get a membership card?

Welcome to the Libertarian Spittoon, how tough are ya'?

My noodle arms can just about handle .30-06.

[Irona]

The real answer is that 'class' has multiple meanings, and definitions, all of which are correct depending on context.

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

I'm not sure any understanding of class would put drug dealers as aristocrats.

[Sovaal]

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

I'm not sure any understanding of class would put drug dealers as aristocrats.

The Cartels are essentially drug lord aristocracy. Eh, still light years ahead of the guys next to me.

[Irona]

I'm not sure any understanding of class would put drug dealers as aristocrats.

The Cartels are essentially drug lord aristocracy. Eh, still light years ahead of the guys next to me.

The real problem is that marxist definitions are the only ones that are objective. Which is why academics still use them. Under Marxist definitions Pablo Escabar at the height of his power was still just middle class. Actually most of the super-rich of today would just be middle class. Trump included.

[VoVoDoCo]

"Individualism means joining a gang, threatening individuals, and asking for their stuff. If they don't comply, you kill them. THAT'S Individualism."

1) joining a gang
2) threatening individuals
3) asking for stuff
A political party cal be labeled a "gang" (you imply joining a socialist movement is a joining a gang), a political party threatens the social and economic standing of certain individuals, and a party definitely asks for something.

I find it neat how in your list, you just so happen to forget to put number four down. I'll do it for you.
4)murder people

Oh wait, political parties don't do that. I feel like I would've noticed that on the online PDF of their platforms.

[Nulla Bellum]

The real answer is that 'class' has multiple meanings, and definitions, all of which are correct depending on context.

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

The "lumpenproletariat" i.e. the proles socialists only care about after the cops kill them

[Orostan]

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

The "lumpenproletariat" i.e. the proles socialists only care about after the cops kill them

>what the fuck are material conditons

[Nulla Bellum]

The "lumpenproletariat" i.e. the proles socialists only care about after the cops kill them

>what the fuck are material conditons

>Politicizing death

[Irona]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It means you've trespassed and will get the owner's cyborg slave-soldiers after you.

Who can prove that I don't own the house? If the original owner wasn't there, couldn't I claim the house was abandoned?

Anti-absenteeism BTFO.

[Nulla Bellum]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Can't have open borders AND a welfare state, as Friedman said. Gimme some trucks and I'll get Mexico and Central America here faster.

I tell conservatives I'm for open borders BECAUSE it will destroy the welfare state. Bankrupt them bitches.

[Aillyria]

So my drug dealer neighbors are actually just extremely poor aristocracy?

The "lumpenproletariat" i.e. the proles socialists only care about after the cops kill them

That's not even socialists really, but modern "progressives". Socialists very on our opinions about the lumpenproles, I personally, don't much care about them. They have a negative impact on society.

[Questers]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

Can't have open borders AND a welfare state, as Friedman said. Gimme some trucks and I'll get Mexico and Central America here faster.

I tell conservatives I'm for open borders BECAUSE it will destroy the welfare state. Bankrupt them bitches.

>intentionally bankrupting your own country

how will libertarians afford child slaves if their savings and assets are wiped out?

[Elwher]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

If open borders came with the elimination of all social welfare programs for anyone, not just immigrants, then I would agree with you. As long as I, as a taxpayer, am expected to involuntarily support those who do not work or those who cannot properly run a business, then there is nothing wrong with my limiting the numbers who I wish to support.

[Irona]

The real test of whether someone’s a conservative or a libertarian:

Open borders

It’s completely inconsistent for a libertarian to oppose liberalising immigration.

If open borders came with the elimination of all social welfare programs for anyone, not just immigrants, then I would agree with you. As long as I, as a taxpayer, am expected to involuntarily support those who do not work or those who cannot properly run a business, then there is nothing wrong with my limiting the numbers who I wish to support.

Immigrants are less likely to live off welfare than natives.

[The Liberated Territories]

Even with maintaining some welfare, I think another viable option is implementing a consumption tax of sort, which would affect everyone, not just legal citizens. I can't see how open borders would work in any socialist system though. Even Sweden is having a hard time picking between a welfare state and open borders.

[Orostan]

>what the fuck are material conditons

>Politicizing death

>not acknowledging there are specific reasons behind unnecessary death