Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Corrian]

Sounds paranoid.

Nah. I support the legalization of essentially everything besides rape and involuntary pedophilia (No, I'm not a fucking pedophile. I abstain from sexual activity.)

So you're crazy then?

lol

Thanks for your in depth reply.

[The Liberated Territories]

Enjoy having no roads, no bridges, no police service, no fire service, no nothing.

Also, evidence towards ISIS being a state? News at 11.

[Drown]

Nah. I support the legalization of essentially everything besides rape and involuntary pedophilia (No, I'm not a fucking pedophile. I abstain from sexual activity.)

So you're crazy then?

I might have schizophrenia due to heavy substance usage in my past, so maybe.

[USS Monitor]

I wouldn't bother trying to frame it as a property rights issue.

I feel like individuals should own the air above their property just as much as the dirt below it.

I think out of all the arguments for a carbon tax, that's a pretty weak one. It seems like bending libertarian ideology to rationalize the policy you want rather than picking policies to fit the ideology.

[Chelta]

lol

Thanks for your in depth reply.

Wait, you were being serious?

lol

[USS Monitor]

What alternative protections for individuals personal property are you suggesting?

For example, it is illegal currently to enact class action lawsuits against polluters. Power to the people, a class action lawsuit would be a much better deterrent than any tax.

That I could get behind.

[West Verrica]

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[Conscentia]

I feel like individuals should own the air above their property just as much as the dirt below it.

I think out of all the arguments for a carbon tax, that's a pretty weak one. It seems like bending libertarian ideology to rationalize the policy you want rather than picking policies to fit the ideology.

Is pragmatism not preferable to dogmatism?

[Corrian]

Thanks for your in depth reply.

Wait, you were being serious?

lol

Yes, I was.

[The Liberated Territories]

I personally prefer "Dogmatic Pragmatism."

[Conscentia]

I intend to write "taxation is theft" on my ballot in the Australian federal election in a month's time because I think I'm edgy and voting is compulsory here

Enjoy having no roads, no bridges, no police service, no fire service, no nothing.

Insert "unprofitable" after every instance of "no" in that sentence and it would be more accurate.

[USS Monitor]

I think out of all the arguments for a carbon tax, that's a pretty weak one. It seems like bending libertarian ideology to rationalize the policy you want rather than picking policies to fit the ideology.

Is pragmatism not preferable to dogmatism?

That's why my original answer wasn't that I was against carbon taxes, just that I wouldn't bother framing the argument in terms of property rights. I am kind of lukewarm toward carbon taxes, actually. I think the thought behind them is good, but I'm not sure how effective they are.

[Conscentia]

Is pragmatism not preferable to dogmatism?

That's why my original answer wasn't that I was against carbon taxes, just that I wouldn't bother framing the argument in terms of property rights. I am kind of lukewarm toward carbon taxes, actually. I think the thought behind them is good, but I'm not sure how effective they are.

It's easier to frame it in terms of property rights if you don't restrict yourself to private property only. If instead you were to argue, for example, that the atmosphere is common property then it becomes easy to justify making people pay to use it as a dump.

But then you'd be some sort of left-libertarian or something.

[USS Monitor]

That's why my original answer wasn't that I was against carbon taxes, just that I wouldn't bother framing the argument in terms of property rights. I am kind of lukewarm toward carbon taxes, actually. I think the thought behind them is good, but I'm not sure how effective they are.

It's easier to frame it in terms of property rights if you don't restrict yourself to private property only. If instead you were to argue, for example, that the atmosphere is common property then it becomes easy to justify making people pay to use it as a dump.

But then you'd be some sort of left-libertarian or something.

I am some sort of left-libertarian. What's your point?

[Drown]

I don't know if I'm libertarian or ancap xd

[The Liberated Territories]

I don't know if I'm libertarian or ancap xd

Try this on for size:

http://www.national-anarchist.net/

[Conscentia]

It's easier to frame it in terms of property rights if you don't restrict yourself to private property only. If instead you were to argue, for example, that the atmosphere is common property then it becomes easy to justify making people pay to use it as a dump.
But then you'd be some sort of left-libertarian or something.

I am some sort of left-libertarian. What's your point?

The thread seems to be clearly dominated by right-libertarians, and I'm quite sure it only exists because the right-libertarians didn't want to share the RWDT with the authoritarian right. I guess my point is that left-libertarian ideas are likely to be considered quite unthinkable around here.

[Drown]

I don't know if I'm libertarian or ancap xd

Try this on for size:

http://www.national-anarchist.net/

>pagan

No.

[West Verrica]

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[Corrian]

I don't even know what I'd be because I never bothered to figure it out. Screw labels ;P

*Is actually curious*

[Chelta]

Wait, you were being serious?

lol

Yes, I was.

k then

Enjoy having no roads

Private roads exist. There are literally private roads in the world today. They are A Thing.

no bridges

see "no roads" ^

no police service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief-taker

as one of many historical examples

no fire service

London suffered great fires in 798, 982, 989, 1212 and above all in 1666 (the Great Fire of London). The Great Fire of 1666 started in a baker's shop on Pudding Lane, consumed about two square miles (5 km²) of the city, leaving tens of thousands homeless. Prior to this fire, London had no organized fire protection system. Afterwards, insurance companies formed private fire brigades to protect their clients’ property. Insurance brigades would only fight fires at buildings the company insured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting

no nothing.

ok then

[Conscentia]

I don't know if I'm libertarian or ancap xd

You're full of contradictions.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm not sure if anyone's posted it yet but apparently PPP has said they're going to include Johnson in all their general election polls.

I am some sort of left-libertarian. What's your point?

The thread seems to be clearly dominated by right-libertarians, and I'm quite sure it only exists because the right-libertarians didn't want to share the RWDT with the authoritarian right. I guess my point is that left-libertarian ideas are likely to be considered quite unthinkable around here.

It caters more to right-libertarians but I wouldn't say they're unthinkable.

I don't even know what I'd be because I never bothered to figure it out. Screw labels ;P

*Is actually curious*

Clearly isidewith is the only way to find out

[Drown]

I don't know if I'm libertarian or ancap xd

You're full of contradictions.

how

[West Verrica]

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