Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Corrian]

I can't really see Johnson taking Washington of all places, but who knows. This election cycle has opened things up to go all sorts of weird I say.

Mostly commenting to keep track of this thread. I don't know if I'll be voting Libertarian yet or not, but I like to keep track of everything.

[The Liberated Territories]

I can't really see Johnson taking Washington of all places, but who knows. This election cycle has opened things up to go all sorts of weird I say.

Mostly commenting to keep track of this thread. I don't know if I'll be voting Libertarian yet or not, but I like to keep track of everything.

I'll have to ask WRA, but I think outside of Seattle the conservatives tend to have a "Rand Paul" type bent.

It also might depend on those who used to be pledged to Sanders who can't tolerate Clinton.

[West Verrica]

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[Sharania]

Imagine something similar said about Obama.

Nobody was being anti-Semitic here.

And what makes you an expert? Or should everyone just take your word?

[West Verrica]

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[Corrian]

I'll have to ask WRA, but I think outside of Seattle the conservatives tend to have a "Rand Paul" type bent.

It also might depend on those who used to be pledged to Sanders who can't tolerate Clinton.

They might go Jill Stein instead. But the Democratic County Convention up here was very anti establishment because it was majorly Sanders supporters over Clinton supporters, which was pretty weird to see how anti democratic party it was at a democratic party (They booed the idea of re-electing our governor, for example).

I actually think my stance will depend on who does the best (Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Stein is polling at only like 2%, but that may go up later, so). I'm pretty much turning in to a "Vote for whichever candidate I think has the best chance at breaking the 2 party system" vote. I actually voted for Johnson last time. He may not be entirely preferable for my tastes (I am a Sanders supporter, after all), but as my dad put it, "I'd prefer to vote for the lesser of two goods than the lesser of two evils"

[Geilinor]

I'll have to ask WRA, but I think outside of Seattle the conservatives tend to have a "Rand Paul" type bent.

It also might depend on those who used to be pledged to Sanders who can't tolerate Clinton.

They might go Jill Stein instead. But the Democratic County Convention up here was very anti establishment because it was majorly Sanders supporters over Clinton supporters, which was pretty weird to see how anti democratic party it was at a democratic party (They booed the idea of re-electing our governor, for example).
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Oh please why? It looks like they're against anyone who endorsed Clinton.

[The Liberated Territories]

I'll have to ask WRA, but I think outside of Seattle the conservatives tend to have a "Rand Paul" type bent.

It also might depend on those who used to be pledged to Sanders who can't tolerate Clinton.

They might go Jill Stein instead. But the Democratic County Convention up here was very anti establishment because it was majorly Sanders supporters over Clinton supporters, which was pretty weird to see how anti democratic party it was at a democratic party (They booed the idea of re-electing our governor, for example).

I actually think my stance will depend on who does the best (Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Stein is polling at only like 2%, but that may go up later, so). I'm pretty much turning in to a "Vote for whichever candidate I think has the best chance at breaking the 2 party system" vote. I actually voted for Johnson last time. He may not be entirely preferable for my tastes (I am a Sanders supporter, after all), but as my dad put it, "I'd prefer to vote for the lesser of two goods than the lesser of two evils"

I dunno. I feel like the Green Party may lose out in some of the limelight this year. How many of the Bernie bros are aware of Stein?

Regardless if the Green Party can join us, the more the merrier I say. We ain't trying to win, we are trying to blow this popsickle stand up. And that popsickle stand is the two party state.

[West Verrica]

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[Washington Resistance Army]

I can't really see Johnson taking Washington of all places, but who knows. This election cycle has opened things up to go all sorts of weird I say.

Mostly commenting to keep track of this thread. I don't know if I'll be voting Libertarian yet or not, but I like to keep track of everything.

I'll have to ask WRA, but I think outside of Seattle the conservatives tend to have a "Rand Paul" type bent.

It also might depend on those who used to be pledged to Sanders who can't tolerate Clinton.

There's quite a lot of support for Libertarians here, I think it'll still go Dem but if enough of the pro-Sanders areas defect the state could possibly go for us.

[USS Monitor]

On stage, a 300 lb. white male stripped down to a g-string while another man threw $1 bills at him.

...why?

Why not?

If you're going to ask why every time Libertarians do something weird, you're going to waste an awful lot of your time asking why.

[USS Monitor]

Well, he is Jewish.

Pointing that out, together with writing "damn Feldman" is very offensive.

This might be a misunderstanding due to bad punctuation. I think he meant, "Damn, Feldman," where damn is just an expression of surprise, not like saying Feldman is damned.

[The Liberated Territories]

Pointing that out, together with writing "damn Feldman" is very offensive.

This might be a misunderstanding due to bad punctuation. I think he meant, "Damn, Feldman," where damn is just an expression of surprise, not like saying Feldman is damned.

Yea I, tend To use. pronunciation as I like...!?1

[The Union of the West]

...why?

Why not?

If you're going to ask why every time Libertarians do something weird, you're going to waste an awful lot of your time asking why.

But what was the context? Was someone just really excited that Johnson won? Did McAfee hire a stripper to get over the fact that he lost? What happened?

[The balkens]

This might be a misunderstanding due to bad punctuation. I think he meant, "Damn, Feldman," where damn is just an expression of surprise, not like saying Feldman is damned.

Yea I, tend To use. pronunciation as I like...!?1

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that gave me cancer.

[Corrian]

Oh please why? It looks like they're against anyone who endorsed Clinton.

I dunno, it kind of surprised me too. The whole room booed as soon as they mentioned helping re elect our governor and somebody else I forgot.

I think a lot of people got pissed off because pretty much all of them refused to endorse Sanders after their state, which elected them into office in the first place, overwhelmingly voted for Sanders, and some of them even being snarky about it. In a sense, I can't blame them, I guess (The Sanders supporters, that is). But it was still a surprise.

Honestly, I'm not even sure I've been a fan of the governor, but it's more that I barely know of his existence because he doesn't seem to do anything bad but not really anything noteworthy, either.

I did like when he pretty much told Donald Trump to get the fuck out of Washington, though, pretty much just saying "You're not welcome here". Not to mention our local news literally made a news story titled "Donald Trump Leaves Washington". I started laughing so hard.

I dunno. I feel like the Green Party may lose out in some of the limelight this year. How many of the Bernie bros are aware of Stein?

Not sure, but I'm actively trying to encourage them not to write in Sanders, because it is literally pointless, and look at potentially helping push for a 3rd party candidate this time around. But I do think that after the likelihood of Sanders being eliminated, her polling numbers might go up. But if it still seems generally lackluster, I'll probably support Johnson again just because he's the most likely candidate to accomplish something towards a 3rd party.

Regardless if the Green Party can join us, the more the merrier I say. We ain't trying to win, we are trying to blow this popsickle stand up. And that popsickle stand is the two party state.

Yup, that's pretty much my stance right now, too. To me, both parties this election have proven how bad they are. Republican party completely went off the deep end, though I've felt like it was headed that way for a while, since McCain (And I actually kinda like McCain, but choosing Sarah Palin was a huge mistake). Plus the whole Fox News thing and their insane conservative talk radio has pretty much set up the disaster we're in now for a while (Trump). And the Democratic party constantly pushing Clinton hasn't sat well with me either. Just the whole thing is a mess. I've never been about the "lesser of two evils", and I'm not going to start now. Unless Clinton does something miraculous to gain my support from now to November, because I'm not even likely to vote for her at all and I'd still vote for her over Trump any day. That's how bad this cycle is for me right now.

[The Liberated Territories]

Why not?

If you're going to ask why every time Libertarians do something weird, you're going to waste an awful lot of your time asking why.

But what was the context? Was someone just really excited that Johnson won? Did McAfee hire a stripper to get over the fact that he lost? What happened?

More then likely some of the kooks in Comic Con got loose and made there way into the LP Convention

Edit: Ah, I think this might of been the fat man:

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/ ... arian2.jpg

[The Union of the West]

But what was the context? Was someone just really excited that Johnson won? Did McAfee hire a stripper to get over the fact that he lost? What happened?

More then likely some of the kooks in Comic Con got loose and made there way into the LP Convention

Edit: Ah, I think this might of been the fat man:

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/ ... arian2.jpg

I knew McAfee had something to do with it!!

[Zurkerx]

I am very happy they picked Johnson and Weld. Now we have at least a chance to break 5%. As long as we can keep getting attention (and avoid unnecessary "wants") we'll be golden.

[The Union of the West]

I am very happy they picked Johnson and Weld. Now we have at least a chance to break 5%. As long as we can keep getting attention (and avoid unnecessary "wants") we'll be golden.

I'd like to see Gary break 15% in the polls so he can partake in the presidential debates, but that isn't very likely. One can dream, right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I am very happy they picked Johnson and Weld. Now we have at least a chance to break 5%. As long as we can keep getting attention (and avoid unnecessary "wants") we'll be golden.

I'd like to see Gary break 15% in the polls so he can partake in the presidential debates, but that isn't very likely. One can dream, right?

I'd say it's VERY likely with current trends. Just keep spreading the word.

[Idzequitch]

Analysis spoilered for brevity

In the first round of voting, Johnson fell just short of the 50% of delegate votes needed to secure the nomination.

Feldman received 58 delegate votes the first time around, leaving him ahead of only Kevin McCormick, who was left off of the second ballot. The second time, he received only 18 votes, as the deserting delegates presumably voted for Johnson.

Perry also decreased his vote total from 63 in Round 1 to 52 in Round 2, a net loss of 11.

McAfee received 131 votes each time, though I don't know if there's a way to find out if they were the same 131 delegates both times.

With 40 of Feldman's delegates deserting along with 11 of Perry's delegates and McCormick's 9, Petersen was only able to increase his vote total by six, and that, ladies and gents, is how Gary Johnson won. His vote total increased by 50 after the first round.

Also worth noting: Vermin Supreme received a write-in vote for the nomination.

The road was more dramatic for Johnson's chosen running mate, William Weld, and the other four candidates. Like Johnson, Weld fell under one percentage point short of the nomination in the first round of voting. After Round 1, Petersen's endorsed VP candidate, Alicia Dearn, finished last and was taken off of the ballot.

With Dearn's exit, both William Coley and Derrick Grayson removed their names from consideration and endorsed Weld's main competitor, Larry Sharpe. Grayson, however, did not withdraw in time to get his name off of the ballot.

In the second round of voting, Weld defeated Sharpe 441 votes to 409, and reached the needed 50% threshold with one half of a percentage point to spare. Weld squeaks in.

Also worth noting: Gary Johnson and Austin Petersen each received one write-in vote for the VP nomination.

TL;DR: It was not as simple as they might have hoped, but the Johnson/Weld Ticket many were expecting is now a reality.

[The Liberated Territories]

I wouldn't say it's very likely, but I'd say it's a possibility. I'd like to see some of that money and connections that Weld supposedly brings to the table to be milked a bit.

[USS Monitor]

-Mass may go blue, but since it's Weld's homestate I thought I'd include it.

Mass is definitely going blue. It's been a while since Weld was governor, and I don't expect many Democrats to break ranks because Mass went to Hillary in the Democratic primary.

[The Union of the West]

I'd like to see Gary break 15% in the polls so he can partake in the presidential debates, but that isn't very likely. One can dream, right?

I'd say it's VERY likely with current trends. Just keep spreading the word.

I hope you're right, and you may very well be. I do know quite a few people from both parties who like what Johnson has to offer.