Libertarian Discussion Thread

[VoVoDoCo]

Is it true that Libertarians are economic anarchists who only care about the sanctity of contract?

Nope.
Anarchist: a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority the city's descent into anarchy
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
Libertarian:a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action

Voluntary association. Not anarchy. (Well... most of us)


Sanctiny of Contract: Sanctity Of Contract is a general idea that once parties duly enter into a contract, they must honor their obligations under that contract.
Are you against that? Or are you using another definition?

[VoVoDoCo]

Also Keshi, don't use this as an opportunity to neglect the abortion thread.

[Keshiland]

Sanctity Of Contract is a general idea that once parties duly enter into a contract, they must honor their obligations under that contract.
Are you against that? Or are you using another definition?

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

[VoVoDoCo]

Sanctity Of Contract is a general idea that once parties duly enter into a contract, they must honor their obligations under that contract.
Are you against that? Or are you using another definition?

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

[Keshiland]

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

Almost every liberal news outlet or discussion board has made fun of and criticized the libertarian economics.

[Taihei Tengoku]

fish in entryist waters

[VoVoDoCo]

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

Almost every liberal news outlet or discussion board has made fun of and criticized the libertarian economics.

Which outlets said Libertarians don't support state enforced contracts?

[VoVoDoCo]

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

Almost every liberal news outlet or discussion board has made fun of and criticized the libertarian economics.

Also this response is irrelevant. I was obviously asking about contracts not economic policies as a whole.

EDIT. ALSO they were liberal news outlets? Even if they DID say we didn't believe in contracts, why are we taking their word for what libertarians believe over the libertarians themselves?

[Keshiland]

Almost every liberal news outlet or discussion board has made fun of and criticized the libertarian economics.

Also this response is irrelevant. I was obviously asking about contracts not economic policies as a whole.

EDIT. ALSO they were liberal news outlets? Even if they DID say we didn't believe in contracts, why are we taking their word for what libertarians believe over the libertarians themselves?

Oh, I don't have specifics I have just heard it pop up here and there. They said you only beleive in rule of contract not other way around

EDIT- because I can't trust conservative media so I only had liberal media to trust.

[VoVoDoCo]

Also this response is irrelevant. I was obviously asking about contracts not economic policies as a whole.

EDIT. ALSO they were liberal news outlets? Even if they DID say we didn't believe in contracts, why are we taking their word for what libertarians believe over the libertarians themselves?

Oh, I don't have specifics I have just heard it pop up here and there. They said you only beleive in rule of contract not other way around

Glad we brought this from the abortion thread to the libertarian thread. That was real exciting.

Thanks everybody for coming. Have a safe trip home folks. Don't be strangers.

[VoVoDoCo]

Also this response is irrelevant. I was obviously asking about contracts not economic policies as a whole.

EDIT. ALSO they were liberal news outlets? Even if they DID say we didn't believe in contracts, why are we taking their word for what libertarians believe over the libertarians themselves?

Oh, I don't have specifics I have just heard it pop up here and there. They said you only beleive in rule of contract not other way around

EDIT- because I can't trust conservative media so I only had liberal media to trust.

I wasn't asking you to trust conservative media. But when you're trying to figure out what libertarians believe, you should listen to the libertarians. Not liberals. The opposite doesn't even make sense.

[VoVoDoCo]

Is it true that Libertarians are economic anarchists who only care about the sanctity of contract?

I was brought here for saying this

Libertarian Nuff said. Aren't you guys economic anarchists who only believe in the sanctity of contract? Paul Ryan is the house speaker thus in charge of budget and libertarian *shivers*

Paul Ryan is a Republican.

[The Liberated Territories]

@Vovo: Ask WRA. He should know.

What subreddits do you guys frequent? I frequent /r/libertarian, /r/goldandblack, /r/Newjersey.

/r/neoliberal is hilarious, though the defense of leftists such as Clinton, Trudeau, and Bernanke is kind of off-putting.

Those are all centrists.

Maybe Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" in the same way she was the Establishment's doll, however she repeatedly caved in to much to the Bernie crowd by advocating for raising the minimum wage and providing free college via "debt-free" tuition, an extremely stupid idea she took from Bernie and then watered down. Of course my real opposition to Clinton is that she is a corrupt hack, something that I'd still oppose even if she decided to espouse libertarian economic rhetoric.

As for Mr. Trudeau, how is this guy a centrist at all when he repeatedly bows down to the far-left Social Justice Warrior crowd? We are talking about a man who helped pass a law imprisoning you if you do so much as use the wrong gendered pronoun. Also "infrastructure spending" muh jerbs lol

Sanctity Of Contract is a general idea that once parties duly enter into a contract, they must honor their obligations under that contract.
Are you against that? Or are you using another definition?

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

This is correct, although "unchecked" assumes something is wrong with it. :^)

[Keshiland]

Those are all centrists.

Maybe Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" in the same way she was the Establishment's doll, however she repeatedly caved in to much to the Bernie crowd by advocating for raising the minimum wage and providing free college via "debt-free" tuition, an extremely stupid idea she took from Bernie and then watered down. Of course my real opposition to Clinton is that she is a corrupt hack, something that I'd still oppose even if she decided to espouse libertarian economic rhetoric.

As for Mr. Trudeau, how is this guy a centrist at all when he repeatedly bows down to the far-left Social Justice Warrior crowd? We are talking about a man who helped pass a law imprisoning you if you do so much as use the wrong gendered pronoun. Also "infrastructure spending" muh jerbs lol

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

This is correct, although "unchecked" assumes something is wrong with it. :^)

If you knew voting for Hillary would have stopped Trump would you have? Or did you vote for her last election. Considering Gary himself said Trump was with out a doubt worse

[Nulla Bellum]

fish in entryist waters

We just want same sex couples to be able to guard their marijuana fields with fully automatic machine guns.

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

Those are all centrists.

Maybe Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" in the same way she was the Establishment's doll, however she repeatedly caved in to much to the Bernie crowd by advocating for raising the minimum wage and providing free college via "debt-free" tuition, an extremely stupid idea she took from Bernie and then watered down. Of course my real opposition to Clinton is that she is a corrupt hack, something that I'd still oppose even if she decided to espouse libertarian economic rhetoric.

As for Mr. Trudeau, how is this guy a centrist at all when he repeatedly bows down to the far-left Social Justice Warrior crowd? We are talking about a man who helped pass a law imprisoning you if you do so much as use the wrong gendered pronoun. Also "infrastructure spending" muh jerbs lol

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

This is correct, although "unchecked" assumes something is wrong with it. :^)

Neither is a centrist. Clinton is right of center personally, but left of center politically since about 2015 largely due to Bernie Sanders. She even said herself she has a "public and private" position on issues. Trudeau's the stereotypical American liberal even though he's Canadian.

Also, I'm a left-libertarian so probably wouldn't be considered one according to these standards (but yes according to Wikipedia).

[Agritum]

Those are all centrists.

Maybe Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" in the same way she was the Establishment's doll, however she repeatedly caved in to much to the Bernie crowd by advocating for raising the minimum wage and providing free college via "debt-free" tuition, an extremely stupid idea she took from Bernie and then watered down. Of course my real opposition to Clinton is that she is a corrupt hack, something that I'd still oppose even if she decided to espouse libertarian economic rhetoric.

As for Mr. Trudeau, how is this guy a centrist at all when he repeatedly bows down to the far-left Social Justice Warrior crowd? We are talking about a man who helped pass a law imprisoning you if you do so much as use the wrong gendered pronoun. Also "infrastructure spending" muh jerbs lol

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

This is correct, although "unchecked" assumes something is wrong with it. :^)

Being called a "far left Social Justice Warrior" and a "corrupt neoliberal hack" at the same time is a telltale sign of centrism, really. Same kinda applies to Macron and Merkel. Depending on who you're talking to they're either cultural marxists who want to open the gates for ravaging hordes of terrorists, or wolf-hiding-as-sheep nationalists out to destroy the labour rights of the proletariat and bust the unions, and in Merkel's case, also secretly hate gay people.

I tend to like this sort of positioning, even if it tends to attract particularly hysteric criticism. Blair fell down exactly due to that. Given the current state of things, maybe Britons would have been better off if their leftier pals hadn't cried about supposed war crimes and whining about apending cuts.

You're right about Hillary and pandering to Bernie though. I especially disliked her backing down on TTIP. People say the DNC rigged things, well I think they didn't rig enough if it took only an independent from Vermont to insert a disruptive political tendency in their ranks. Whoever had the brilliant idea to let independents run for party nominations is probably reaping the harvest now.

Speaking of which, demanding the utmost "honesty" from political officers as the chief value to judge them is a recipe for creating monsters. Italy has reached the terminal stage already with M5S and is literally crying for Berlusconi to come back. America is just starting out, and the embrional state is not the quite Jacksonian Trump, but the Maoist Bernie.

[War Gears]

and is literally crying for Berlusconi to come back.

I never thought I would hear "Berlusconi" and "come back" in the same sentence.

Unless it had to do with one of his sex scandals in a completely different context.

No, I am for that. What I have herd is that you guys were 100% unchecked capitalist and very low tax

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

Anarchists are libertarian though.

[Agritum]

https://niskanencenter.org/blog/black-liberty-matters/

[Elwher]

https://niskanencenter.org/blog/black-liberty-matters/

An interesting article, but too concerned about why people make the claims they do and not sufficiently concerned about the value of the claims themselves. For example, I support the right of at least the original 13 states, as well as those which had independence before joining the Union, to secede. That is not for any explicit or implicit love of slavery, but an extension of my belief that problems should be solved at the lowest possible level of governance. If a state which voluntarily joined the United States no longer feels that said joining is in their best interest, they should have the right to leave.

For another example, corporate welfare is in many ways different form personal welfare. Both are to be condemned as examples of the government doing what it should not be doing, but the causes and results are different. Personal welfare should exist but should be the product of voluntary contributions made to, and distributes by, private agencies. Corporate welfare should not even exist; if a company cannot prosper on its own it should either change or die.

[The Liberated Territories]

Maybe Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" in the same way she was the Establishment's doll, however she repeatedly caved in to much to the Bernie crowd by advocating for raising the minimum wage and providing free college via "debt-free" tuition, an extremely stupid idea she took from Bernie and then watered down. Of course my real opposition to Clinton is that she is a corrupt hack, something that I'd still oppose even if she decided to espouse libertarian economic rhetoric.

As for Mr. Trudeau, how is this guy a centrist at all when he repeatedly bows down to the far-left Social Justice Warrior crowd? We are talking about a man who helped pass a law imprisoning you if you do so much as use the wrong gendered pronoun. Also "infrastructure spending" muh jerbs lol



This is correct, although "unchecked" assumes something is wrong with it. :^)

Being called a "far left Social Justice Warrior" and a "corrupt neoliberal hack" at the same time is a telltale sign of centrism, really. Same kinda applies to Macron and Merkel. Depending on who you're talking to they're either cultural marxists who want to open the gates for ravaging hordes of terrorists, or wolf-hiding-as-sheep nationalists out to destroy the labour rights of the proletariat and bust the unions, and in Merkel's case, also secretly hate gay people.

I tend to like this sort of positioning, even if it tends to attract particularly hysteric criticism. Blair fell down exactly due to that. Given the current state of things, maybe Britons would have been better off if their leftier pals hadn't cried about supposed war crimes and whining about apending cuts.

You're right about Hillary and pandering to Bernie though. I especially disliked her backing down on TTIP. People say the DNC rigged things, well I think they didn't rig enough if it took only an independent from Vermont to insert a disruptive political tendency in their ranks. Whoever had the brilliant idea to let independents run for party nominations is probably reaping the harvest now.

Speaking of which, demanding the utmost "honesty" from political officers as the chief value to judge them is a recipe for creating monsters. Italy has reached the terminal stage already with M5S and is literally crying for Berlusconi to come back. America is just starting out, and the embrional state is not the quite Jacksonian Trump, but the Maoist Bernie.

I mean, Trump is the most honest politician yet. That's why people preferred him over Hillary: he was very clear that he has no values beyond screwing people, while Hillary was more shady.

[The Liberated Territories]

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a ... 1818629537

Thoughts? Awfully shady if you ask me. It's almost as if the EU has been captured by large corporations who use the state to guarantee their profit.

*second to only Washington in number of lobbyists intensifies*

[VoVoDoCo]

and is literally crying for Berlusconi to come back.

I never thought I would hear "Berlusconi" and "come back" in the same sentence.

Unless it had to do with one of his sex scandals in a completely different context.

Anarchist aren't for state enforced contracts.
Libertarians are.
Who did you hear that from?

EDIT: Obviously there are some exceptions.

Anarchists are libertarian though.

True. But not all Libertarians are Anarchist. He was working under that assumption.

[Taihei Tengoku]

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537

Thoughts? Awfully shady if you ask me. It's almost as if the EU has been captured by large corporations who use the state to guarantee their profit.

*second to only Washington in number of lobbyists intensifies*

"EU finds public goods act like public goods, suppresses study"

s m d h

[Ramune and Chocolate]

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537

Thoughts? Awfully shady if you ask me. It's almost as if the EU has been captured by large corporations who use the state to guarantee their profit.

*second to only Washington in number of lobbyists intensifies*

Intellectual property cartel's at it again