Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Socialist Czechia]

Maybe the Israel-Palestine conflict can be resolved through a Union between the two?

Since any 'State of Palestine' can't really work, I think the only option for true peace is partition of 'palestinian' territories amongst Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

But I have feeling that Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan doesn't want so many troublesome new subjects same as Egypt...

[Alsheb]

Maybe the Israel-Palestine conflict can be resolved through a Union between the two?

Since any 'State of Palestine' can't really work, I think the only option for true peace is partition of 'palestinian' territories amongst Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

But I have feeling that Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan doesn't want so many troublesome new subjects same as Egypt...

The Jordanians had such an option perhaps fifty years ago. They squandered it when the Hashemites decided to turn their backs on the Palestinians and betray them in exchange for American dollars. Same goes for Egypt ever since Sadat. None of them even want to do as much as annoy Israel for fear of losing their US funding.

[The balkens]

Since any 'State of Palestine' can't really work, I think the only option for true peace is partition of 'palestinian' territories amongst Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

But I have feeling that Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan doesn't want so many troublesome new subjects same as Egypt...

The Jordanians had such an option perhaps fifty years ago. They squandered it when the Hashemites decided to turn their backs on the Palestinians and betray them in exchange for American dollars. Same goes for Egypt ever since Sadat. None of them even want to do as much as annoy Israel for fear of losing their US funding.

But hey, it fostered peace between the 3, so why the complaining about Jordan and Egypt doing the smart thing?

[Greater Tezdrian]

So... which translations of the Quran do you all use?

[Napkiraly]

So... which translations of the Quran do you all use?

Tarif Khalidi's I think. I'd check but it's back in Canada.

[Greater Tezdrian]

So... which translations of the Quran do you all use?

Tarif Khalidi's I think. I'd check but it's back in Canada.

Lovely, from the Amazon page it looks like a fine translation. I own Pickthall's The Glorious Qur'an somewhere, but should probably look into getting a more liberal translation; or the Ahmadi one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa Rahmatallahi wa Barakatihu my brothers and sisters! I've been gone for so long, now I'm back! YAY!

[Kubumba Tribe]

Tarif Khalidi's I think. I'd check but it's back in Canada.

Lovely, from the Amazon page it looks like a fine translation. I own Pickthall's The Glorious Qur'an somewhere, but should probably look into getting a more liberal translation; or the Ahmadi one.

What is a liberal translation? To me, a translation's a translation.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

So... which translations of the Quran do you all use?

Sahih international

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Lovely, from the Amazon page it looks like a fine translation. I own Pickthall's The Glorious Qur'an somewhere, but should probably look into getting a more liberal translation; or the Ahmadi one.

What is a liberal translation? To me, a translation's a translation.

It's one used by Murtadeen and Munafiqeen (aggressors and apostates)

[United Territories and States]

You should try reading Muhammad Assad's translation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So... which translations of the Quran do you all use?

Sahih international

Assalamu 'Alaikum Ghuraba. I use the same one too.

[Stormopolis]

https://youtu.be/gEzDD0dZU8U

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://youtu.be/gEzDD0dZU8U

...wut

[Greater Tezdrian]

What is a liberal translation? To me, a translation's a translation.

It's one used by Murtadeen and Munafiqeen (aggressors and apostates)

Oh how precious. A liberal translation would ideally be one which isn't corrupted by Salafist or fundamentalist agendas, and is in line with the original, egalitarian spirit of Islam.

[Greater Tezdrian]

http://www.khalifaofislam.com/press-rel ... view-2016/

<3 <3 <3

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

'Corrupted' lol the only corruption is from Liberal apostates. You want some made up lies written by fellow apostates instead of what Allah has givien to us you should be ashamed of your open Bidah.

[Socialist Czechia]

It really seems, even there, that massive religious total wars are something still waiting there. One can say that muslim version of Thirty Years War already started, with 'Arab Spring' and 'Daesh' as just first phase.

[Alsheb]

'Corrupted' lol the only corruption is from Liberal apostates. You want some made up lies written by fellow apostates instead of what Allah has givien to us you should be ashamed of your open Bidah.

Your Salafist friends are the biggest perpetrators of bid'ah in the world, so you have no right to accuse outhers of corruption of the faith.

[Alsheb]

It really seems, even there, that massive religious total wars are something still waiting there. One can say that muslim version of Thirty Years War already started, with 'Arab Spring' and 'Daesh' as just first phase.

Not quite like the Thirty Years' War, but such a war within the islamic community is indeed ongoing already.
The way I see it, it's mainly a process of purification in which the Islamic community is cutting out the cancer of salafism that is growing within out midst. In Syria, Iraq and Yemen there is already a struggle going on that is more complex than simple "Sunni vs Shia" and usually pits the Salafists vs everyone else.

[Alsheb]

China is to start construction of Muslim World City, a "theme park" that will focus on bringing people in contact with Islam and Arab/Middle Eastern culture. Unfortunately in this article RT decided to copy western claims that have been proven to be wrong, such as the claim that Uyghurs in China are "not allowed to fast".

https://www.rt.com/viral/342973-muslim- ... heme-park/

[Napkiraly]

Met my kinda friend's Muslim gf for the first time. She's quite nice.

[Socialist Czechia]

It really seems, even there, that massive religious total wars are something still waiting there. One can say that muslim version of Thirty Years War already started, with 'Arab Spring' and 'Daesh' as just first phase.

Not quite like the Thirty Years' War, but such a war within the islamic community is indeed ongoing already.
The way I see it, it's mainly a process of purification in which the Islamic community is cutting out the cancer of salafism that is growing within out midst. In Syria, Iraq and Yemen there is already a struggle going on that is more complex than simple "Sunni vs Shia" and usually pits the Salafists vs everyone else.

State of Iraq already ceased to exist. Sunni Iraqis are on Daesh's side, Shia Iraqis are Iranian allies and Kurds have own independent national state now.

[Alsheb]

Not quite like the Thirty Years' War, but such a war within the islamic community is indeed ongoing already.
The way I see it, it's mainly a process of purification in which the Islamic community is cutting out the cancer of salafism that is growing within out midst. In Syria, Iraq and Yemen there is already a struggle going on that is more complex than simple "Sunni vs Shia" and usually pits the Salafists vs everyone else.

State of Iraq already ceased to exist. Sunni Iraqis are on Daesh's side, Shia Iraqis are Iranian allies and Kurds have own independent national state now.

It's a tad bit more complicated than that. For example, Muqtada al-Sadr, who is rising again to the forefront of Iraqi politics, has been leading collective prayers of both Shias and Sunnis, and is unifying both sects into his political movement. In fact, the main opponents of al-Sadr right now are the more sectarian-minded Shia politicians such as Nouri al-Maliki.
Al-Sadr himself has made the ending of sectarian politics in Iraq one of his main political objectives.

[Socialist Czechia]

State of Iraq already ceased to exist. Sunni Iraqis are on Daesh's side, Shia Iraqis are Iranian allies and Kurds have own independent national state now.

It's a tad bit more complicated than that. For example, Muqtada al-Sadr, who is rising again to the forefront of Iraqi politics, has been leading collective prayers of both Shias and Sunnis, and is unifying both sects into his political movement. In fact, the main opponents of al-Sadr right now are the more sectarian-minded Shia politicians such as Nouri al-Maliki.
Al-Sadr himself has made the ending of sectarian politics in Iraq one of his main political objectives.

But there's no national unity and never was in such artificial state. Iraq, same as Syria, were silly Franco-British inventions, when they betrayed their muslim allies fighting Ottomans side by side.