Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Mahdistan]

A bit off topic but does anyone know a good video regarding Saudi-Arabia's internal politics and domestic policies? I am fairly known to the ties between the al-Saud family and Wahhabism, but that's it. I have heard of Game of Thrones-esque intrigue in Saudi-Arabia but I am totally unaware of that.

None that I'm aware of, the only games I can think of that you can even play as them is maybe Hearts of Iron, or maybe with a mod in one of the Democracy games.

[Urmanian]

A bit off topic but does anyone know a good video regarding Saudi-Arabia's internal politics and domestic policies? I am fairly known to the ties between the al-Saud family and Wahhabism, but that's it. I have heard of Game of Thrones-esque intrigue in Saudi-Arabia but I am totally unaware of that.

None that I'm aware of, the only games I can think of that you can even play as them is maybe Hearts of Iron, or maybe with a mod in one of the Democracy games.

I think he meant video as in a youtube video, not a video game.

Although you can also play as Nejd in Europe Universalis and Victoria 2, and as Saudi Arabia in Superpower 2.

[Alsheb]

According to several specialists on Arab policies, the Saudi political system can exist solely due to the support of US imperialism. As soon as the American influence in the Middle East were to fade, the corrupted monarchy of Saudi Arabia would surely collapse.

If they're right. Tensions would rise elsewhere however *looks to Israel*

Well yeah. Hopefully we'd get an actually anti-zionist government in power in what is technically the biggest and most powerful Arab state. Which would shift the balance of power massively in the right direction.

[Napkiraly]

If they're right. Tensions would rise elsewhere however *looks to Israel*

Well yeah. Hopefully we'd get an actually anti-zionist government in power in what is technically the biggest and most powerful Arab state. Which would shift the balance of power massively in the right direction.

I too look forward to seeing nukes fly.

[Mahdistan]

None that I'm aware of, the only games I can think of that you can even play as them is maybe Hearts of Iron, or maybe with a mod in one of the Democracy games.

I think he meant video as in a youtube video, not a video game.

Although you can also play as Nejd in Europe Universalis and Victoria 2, and as Saudi Arabia in Superpower 2.

Oh, I can't read.

But, unfortunately, same answer.

[Mahdistan]

Well yeah. Hopefully we'd get an actually anti-zionist government in power in what is technically the biggest and most powerful Arab state. Which would shift the balance of power massively in the right direction.

I too look forward to seeing nukes fly.

Without American money and guns, Israel would have to re-allocate a lot of their funds and would lose a lot of what they have. I don't think the Palestinians would give up such an opportunity either, so they'd probably be tied up fighting them. Things would not look good for Israel if America were to pull out of the Middle East.

[Napkiraly]

I too look forward to seeing nukes fly.

Without American money and guns, Israel would have to re-allocate a lot of their funds and would lose a lot of what they have. I don't think the Palestinians would give up such an opportunity either, so they'd probably be tied up fighting them. Things would not look good for Israel if America were to pull out of the Middle East.

Israel gets about 3.1 billion in military aid and they spend 15-16 billion on their military. Their military spending as a % of GDP is actually at the lowest it has ever been. Israel wont collapse if the aid ends.

Once again, I too look forward to tens millions, at the very least, dying simply so you can drive the Jews out of the ME.

[The balkens]

Without American money and guns, Israel would have to re-allocate a lot of their funds and would lose a lot of what they have. I don't think the Palestinians would give up such an opportunity either, so they'd probably be tied up fighting them. Things would not look good for Israel if America were to pull out of the Middle East.

Israel gets about 3.1 billion in military aid and they spend 15-16 billion on their military. Their military spending as a % of GDP is actually at the lowest it has ever been. Israel wont collapse if the aid ends.

Once again, I too look forward to tens millions, at the very least, dying simply so you can drive the Jews out of the ME.

If the ME gets in a firestorm over a minuscule piece of land then no wonder people got pissy over american troops being stationed in SA.

[Mahdistan]

Israel gets about 3.1 billion in military aid and they spend 15-16 billion on their military. Their military spending as a % of GDP is actually at the lowest it has ever been. Israel wont collapse if the aid ends.

Once again, I too look forward to tens millions, at the very least, dying simply so you can drive the Jews out of the ME.

If the ME gets in a firestorm over a minuscule piece of land then no wonder people got pissy over american troops being stationed in SA.

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

[Alsheb]

Without American money and guns, Israel would have to re-allocate a lot of their funds and would lose a lot of what they have. I don't think the Palestinians would give up such an opportunity either, so they'd probably be tied up fighting them. Things would not look good for Israel if America were to pull out of the Middle East.

Israel gets about 3.1 billion in military aid and they spend 15-16 billion on their military. Their military spending as a % of GDP is actually at the lowest it has ever been. Israel wont collapse if the aid ends.

Once again, I too look forward to tens millions, at the very least, dying simply so you can drive the Jews out of the ME.

So your argument to oppose anti-zionism is that... Israel might kill millions of people?
That's like saying we shouldn't oppose US imperialism either since they have nukes too...

[The balkens]

If the ME gets in a firestorm over a minuscule piece of land then no wonder people got pissy over american troops being stationed in SA.

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

American forces were on the Other side of the damn country.

[Napkiraly]

If the ME gets in a firestorm over a minuscule piece of land then no wonder people got pissy over american troops being stationed in SA.

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

I wasn't aware stationing troops in an allied country, not even in Mecca or Medina, was the same as installing a system of government.

[Napkiraly]

Israel gets about 3.1 billion in military aid and they spend 15-16 billion on their military. Their military spending as a % of GDP is actually at the lowest it has ever been. Israel wont collapse if the aid ends.

Once again, I too look forward to tens millions, at the very least, dying simply so you can drive the Jews out of the ME.

So your argument to oppose anti-zionism is that... Israel might kill millions of people?
That's like saying we shouldn't oppose US imperialism either since they have nukes too...

That's my argument against "lol We'll remove Israel from the ME" not anti-Zionism as a whole.

[Napkiraly]

And I'm "pro" zionist in the sense that I think Israel has just a right to exist as Palestine does. As well as generally being against this overzealous drive to pick one side over the other when frankly neither deserves unitary support.

[Napkiraly]

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

American forces were on the Other side of the damn country.

For the likes of bin Laden, having the mere presence of "crusaders" on the same soil as Mecca was a crime against God and Islam or something stupid like that.

[Greater Tezdrian]

>Mahdavia

Surely you jest

[Great Feng]

not saying he is the antichrist, but the Mahdi or islamic savior sounds like him(Judging from revelations in the bible), and the reborn jesus or something sounds like the false prophet.
I mean no offense, but I'd like to know your opinions's on these similarities.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Also,

(A. I used to be Muslim, which is why I'm here.
(B. I might want to revert again, idk, but I'm still deeply dissatisfied
(C. Until very recently I've been seriously exploring Judaism, but something isn't clicking
(D. Hi folks

[Mahdistan]

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

I wasn't aware stationing troops in an allied country, not even in Mecca or Medina, was the same as installing a system of government.

Well, they do hold one of the holiest cities in the world. Don't think most would appreciate it if we started an emirate in Rome.

American forces were on the Other side of the damn country.

That was in reference to Israel as being 'a minuscule piece of land'.

[Mahdistan]

>Mahdavia

Surely you jest

They're a thing. A little odd, but they were worth including since Ahmadiyya was included too.

Also,

(A. I used to be Muslim, which is why I'm here.
(B. I might want to revert again, idk, but I'm still deeply dissatisfied
(C. Until very recently I've been seriously exploring Judaism, but something isn't clicking
(D. Hi folks

As'salamu alayikum. I can answer questions you may have.

[Mahdistan]

not saying he is the antichrist, but the Mahdi or islamic savior sounds like him(Judging from revelations in the bible), and the reborn jesus or something sounds like the false prophet.
I mean no offense, but I'd like to know your opinions's on these similarities.

We believe in what Christians call the Antichrist as well, we call him the Dajjal. Considering the Mahdi is to be the pinnacle of righteousness and temperament, and the Dajjal will desire to destroy humanity, I think it can be established that it is the Dajjal and Antichrist who are the same, not the Mahdi and the Antichrist.

[Napkiraly]

I wasn't aware stationing troops in an allied country, not even in Mecca or Medina, was the same as installing a system of government.

American forces were on the Other side of the damn country.

That was in reference to Israel as being 'a minuscule piece of land'.

...This undermines your argument even more. First, the people of the ME cannot be that dense to not know that Jerusalem is the holiest city in Judaism. Secondly, Israel goes out of its way to ensure that its actually Jewish people that kinda get the shorter end of the stick, given they cannot actually pray at the Temple Mount itself - this being reserved solely for Muslims.

[Mahdistan]

That was in reference to Israel as being 'a minuscule piece of land'.

...This undermines your argument even more. First, the people of the ME cannot be that dense to not know that Jerusalem is the holiest city in Judaism. Secondly, Israel goes out of its way to ensure that its actually Jewish people that kinda get the shorter end of the stick, given they cannot actually pray at the Temple Mount itself - this being reserved solely for Muslims.

All I said was that Israel is more than just an insignificant piece of land, so people aren't crazy for obsessing over it. Whether what Israel does is righteous or not is another matter, but should be discussed in another thread.

[Great Feng]

not saying he is the antichrist, but the Mahdi or islamic savior sounds like him(Judging from revelations in the bible), and the reborn jesus or something sounds like the false prophet.
I mean no offense, but I'd like to know your opinions's on these similarities.

We believe in what Christians call the Antichrist as well, we call him the Dajjal. Considering the Mahdi is to be the pinnacle of righteousness and temperament, and the Dajjal will desire to destroy humanity, I think it can be established that it is the Dajjal and Antichrist who are the same, not the Mahdi and the Antichrist.

Yes, but the description of the Mahdi's actions seem similar to the Antichrist.
I'd like to pull up some quotes or links showing that, but the only things that would say the Mahdi is like the antichrist are anti-Islamic sites/articles, simply because well, if you're going to show anything is similar to the antichrist, you'd obviously be biased against it, you know?

[Kuruinulah]

As a muslim i would like to know if anything to do with the right to bear arms is mentioned in the quran or any other islamic texts.