Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[United Territories and States]

Perhaps.

But yeah. Normal Ithna'ashari/ Twelver Shi'ism is by and large pretty fundamentalist.

Interpretation yields some interesting results.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

Just don't know enough about it. I do respect Oman though. They're pretty great.

[Salus Maior]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

Just don't know enough about it. I do respect Oman though. They're pretty great.

There's 10 Ibadi in the polls, apparently.

Maybe this is their best chance to speak up ;P *wink wink* *nudge nudge*.

[Nusaresa]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

Just don't know enough about it. I do respect Oman though. They're pretty great.

Qaboooooooooos

[Kubumba Tribe]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

It's Islam

[The North Kavkaza]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

I know a guy who recently became Ibadi from being Hanafi Sunni. Really nice guy, told me why he became Ibadi and has helped me a lot as a Muslim. other than that, I don't know a whole lot about Ibāḍiyya.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

It's Islam

http://legacy.quran.com/6/65
http://legacy.quran.com/6/159
http://legacy.quran.com/23/52
http://legacy.quran.com/23/53

[The North Kavkaza]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

But there isn't a single "true" form of Islam. But there is a diversity of opinions among Islamic scholars, and that isn't a bad thing.

[Kubumba Tribe]

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

But there isn't a single "true" form of Islam. But there is a diversity of opinions among Islamic scholars, and that isn't a bad thing.

Refer to the links.What you just said also also a big bid'ah.

[Kubumba Tribe]

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

But there isn't a single "true" form of Islam. But there is a diversity of opinions among Islamic scholars, and that isn't a bad thing.

So what Allah revealed can be tampered with by fallibility?

[The North Kavkaza]

But there isn't a single "true" form of Islam. But there is a diversity of opinions among Islamic scholars, and that isn't a bad thing.

So what Allah revealed can be tampered with by fallibility?

Okay, so what is the true infallible form of Islam?

Remember, Imam Jaafar, Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Malik worked with each other, despite holding different opinions.

[Kubumba Tribe]

So what Allah revealed can be tampered with by fallibility?

Okay, so what is the true infallible form of Islam?

Remember, Imam Jaafar, Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Malik worked with each other, despite holding different opinions.

You can find that in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/4/69, http://legacy.quran.com/33/33, http://legacy.quran.com/49/14
We can only follow those who are set on the straight path. If those Imams and any other Muslim have declared themselves Sunni, or any other sect, then we as Muslim should not follow them as they are not on the straight path, as they have deviated.
That is, if they declared so.

[The North Kavkaza]

Okay, so what is the true infallible form of Islam?

Remember, Imam Jaafar, Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Malik worked with each other, despite holding different opinions.

You can find that in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/4/69, http://legacy.quran.com/33/33, http://legacy.quran.com/49/14
We can only follow those who are set on the straight path. If those Imams and any other Muslim have declared themselves Sunni, or any other sect, then we as Muslim should not follow them as they are not on the straight path, as they have deviated.
That is, if they declared so.

Okay, the three people I mentioned are some of the most important Islamic scholars. According to you, they "deviated"?

[Kubumba Tribe]

You can find that in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/4/69, http://legacy.quran.com/33/33, http://legacy.quran.com/49/14
We can only follow those who are set on the straight path. If those Imams and any other Muslim have declared themselves Sunni, or any other sect, then we as Muslim should not follow them as they are not on the straight path, as they have deviated.
That is, if they declared so.

Okay, the three people I mentioned are some of the most important Islamic scholars. According to you, they "deviated"?

Did they declare themselves as Sunni or Muslim?

[The North Kavkaza]

Okay, the three people I mentioned are some of the most important Islamic scholars. According to you, they "deviated"?

Did they declare themselves as Sunni or Muslim?

I don't know. Does it matter? Isn't discrediting a Muslim because they refer to themselves as Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Salafi, etc. dividing the Ummah?

[Al Ashabiyah]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

Well which is the right one then? Ibadism predates Sunni and Shia. We are the earliest.

[Herskerstad]

What do you all think of Ibadi Islam?

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

Are Sunni's transgressing by that same metric?

[Jochizyd Republic]

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

Are Sunni's transgressing by that same metric?

If it isn't clear enough already, He follows his own Reformist Nondenominational Modernist type of Islam that mixes Borderline Qur'anism, Pan Africanism, and an extremely liberal use of itjihad.

[Herskerstad]

Are Sunni's transgressing by that same metric?

If it isn't clear enough already, He follows his own Reformist Nondenominational Modernist type of Islam that mixes Borderline Qur'anism, Pan Africanism, and an extremely liberal use of itjihad.

Oh I am not asking that question to everybody and know that this understand is rather exclusive to Kubumba, but it's a thing worth hearing regardless.

[Jochizyd Republic]

There shouldn't be any sects in Al-Islam. Ibadism, like other sects, is transgression.

Well which is the right one then? Ibadism predates Sunni and Shia. We are the earliest.

Interesting, brother.

Just out of curiosity (always wanted to ask to the Ibadi on the site )

What Hadith Collections do you use and what is the method of interpreting them? (Do you view some of the Sahaba as unreliable because of the thing with Uthman and Ali? (ra) ), what is your stance on secularism? Who has the authority to interpret and transmit the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah in the Ibadi way?

[Al Ashabiyah]

Well which is the right one then? Ibadism predates Sunni and Shia. We are the earliest.

Interesting, brother.

Just out of curiosity (always wanted to ask to the Ibadi on the site )

What Hadith Collections do you use and what is the method of interpreting them? (Do you view some of the Sahaba as unreliable because of the thing with Uthman and Ali? (ra) ), what is your stance on secularism? Who has the authority to interpret and transmit the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah in the Ibadi way?

Yeah, I sort of go on a case by case basis. There aren't any Ibadi mosques near where I live so I have to make my own judgement. Secularism, I am somewhat pro secularism just because I have seen what Islamism has done, but I think sharia should be in effect. I'm not sure about our official position but I personally go by my own judgement on most areas.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

It's Islam

http://legacy.quran.com/6/65
http://legacy.quran.com/6/159
http://legacy.quran.com/23/52
http://legacy.quran.com/23/53

You're making it fitnah by treating it as another religion. It's all Islam. Ibadi, Hanafi, Shia, I don't care how you bow to Allah (swt) as long you bow to him.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

So, because I mostly go to Turkish mosques and because most of my Muslim friends are Turkish and because my 'Islamic mentor' is Turk too, I decided to go the Hanafi Fiqh way.

Good thing I never really liked lobsters anyway

[Jochizyd Republic]

So, because I mostly go to Turkish mosques and because most of my Muslim friends are Turkish and because my 'Islamic mentor' is Turk too, I decided to go the Hanafi Fiqh way.

Good thing I never really liked lobsters anyway

You still got Eel, Squid and the good stuff anyway.