Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Every Muslim should support Shari'ah.
However, stoning is not Islamic, as far as I have researched. Probs just corrupt countries that misrepresent Al-Islam.

Oh, yes. They get it wrong. That's one I hear a lot. From what I heard, though, they're doing it right according to their prophet, if you read all the shit I've done.

What have you read?

[Jochizyd Republic]

Britain's Muslim Community is awful.

Well...half awful considering the polls.

What about Sweden's muslim community?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Even worse.

Europe let in the worst so it seems.

Salafis make us all look bad.

And criminals are usually unobservant. But yeah. They let in some of the worst.

[Implacable Death]

Oh, yes. They get it wrong. That's one I hear a lot. From what I heard, though, they're doing it right according to their prophet, if you read all the shit I've done.

What have you read?

Surah from the Quran, Hadith, sparknotes, cliffnotes, extended edition...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What have you read?

Surah from the Quran, Hadith, sparknotes, cliffnotes, extended edition...

Show me.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What have you read?

Su'rah, Hadith, Quran. You know, the basics.

>Surah...Quran

Lol.

I like it how Spencerfans pretend like they're Hafiz and Muhadditheen when they've really only skimmed through and picked from websites.

[Herskerstad]

Then you didn't see the research done in the UK.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

Britain's Muslim Community is awful.

Well...half awful considering the polls.

Pretty much. Never been a fan of the whole moderate muslim tag. The moderate muslim, which is moderate towards such issues, is not worth the time of day.

I'd rather go with the western 'And no, that's not synonymous with liberal' muslims. Heck, as long as a person is harmless then that's pretty much the most important thing.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Britain's Muslim Community is awful.

Well...half awful considering the polls.

Pretty much. Never been a fan of the whole moderate muslim tag. The moderate muslim, which is moderate towards such issues, is not worth the time of day.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Nusaresa]

Su'rah, Hadith, Quran. You know, the basics.

>Surah...Quran

Lol.

I like it how Spencerfans pretend like they're Hafiz and Muhadditheen when they've really only skimmed through and picked from websites.

Cherry picking is the most common profession when one is not Muslim and trying to criticize Islam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What have you read?

Surah from the Quran, Hadith, sparknotes, cliffnotes, extended edition...

There are no ayateen that support stoning in the Holy Qur'an, and here's what a SaHeeH hadith says about stoning: http://sunnah.com/bukhari/72/5

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>Surah...Quran

Lol.

I like it how Spencerfans pretend like they're Hafiz and Muhadditheen when they've really only skimmed through and picked from websites.

Cherry picking is the most common profession when one is not Muslim and trying to criticize Islam.

Inorite

[Implacable Death]

Show you what? Pictures of me reading the damn things?

You know what struck me from the start? That there is no historical context within the quran in terms of violence.
When there's violence in the Old Testament, it's in specific context. For instance, there is a passage from Deuteronomy that calls for the death of people. Sure, but specific people. Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, to be precise. Good luck finding any of those today.

Compare that to any given statement by muhammad, saying to kill apostates. Which apostates? The ones that were there in 1500 AD? The ones that strayed last year? Without any such qualifiers, we are told to read this as kill ALL apostates. And so on.

[Implacable Death]

Britain's Muslim Community is awful.

Well...half awful considering the polls.

Pretty much. Never been a fan of the whole moderate muslim tag. The moderate muslim, which is moderate towards such issues, is not worth the time of day.

I'd rather go with the western 'And no, that's not synonymous with liberal' muslims. Heck, as long as a person is harmless then that's pretty much the most important thing.

Then I daresay they're not muslims. Reminder: You cannot be a non-religious muslim like you can be a non-religious Jew. Jews are a people, muslims are not.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Surah from the Quran, Hadith, sparknotes, cliffnotes, extended edition...

There are no ayateen that support stoning in the Holy Qur'an, and here's what a SaHeeH hadith says about stoning: http://sunnah.com/bukhari/72/5

There are Hadith and Surah that support stoning. Rajm can only be applied if all requirements are met in a legitimate Shari'ah court.

These requirements are extremeley hard to meet. Purposefully so. And judges are required to act with Mercy.

It is, in all technicalities, a legal fiction.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Keyboard Zionists and Četnik fanboys trying to understand or (lol!) criticize Islam and Shariah are like a Bleach-Blonde Rich Valley Girl arguing with a Cop who just pulled them over for drunk driving without a seatbelt about how the Law works.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Show you what? Pictures of me reading the damn things?

You know what struck me from the start? That there is no historical context within the quran in terms of violence.
When there's violence in the Old Testament, it's in specific context. For instance, there is a passage from Deuteronomy that calls for the death of people. Sure, but specific people. Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, to be precise. Good luck finding any of those today.

Such fucking hypocrisy.

The "Sword Verses" you lot love to quote are towards the Quraish, the Punishments are towards traitors who left the Muslims and Ansar to consort with Meccan Pagans and enemy Jewish tribes.

But of course, context only applies when it's convenient to you. Not to people who disagree with you.

Ha!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Jews are a people, muslims are not.

Could I report him for this?

[Herskerstad]

Pretty much. Never been a fan of the whole moderate muslim tag. The moderate muslim, which is moderate towards such issues, is not worth the time of day.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Perhaps it was not illuminated enough, but I've lived in the UK and my experiences there with people who were considered moderate muslims, and were, incidentally, quite moderate in how they viewed issues of terrorism, that is to say, not really willing to condemn it, left a sour taste in my mouth, and they were not few in numbers either. In short, the point I attempted to lay out is that people of the Islamic faith, who were lukewarm on the likes of Bin Laden, Terror groups or terrorism, ect. Are not something the nation should either be shielding nor importing.

I suspect they are the sorts to make up the majority of the awful portion of the Islamic community in the UK, but all to often they are grouped in together and declared moderate just because they are not willing to wave ISIS flags openly.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Perhaps it was not illuminated enough, but I've lived in the UK and my experiences there with people who were considered moderate muslims, and were, incidentally, quite moderate in how they viewed issues of terrorism, that is to say, not really willing to condemn it, left a sour taste in my mouth, and they were not few in numbers either. In short, the point I attempted to lay out is that people of the Islamic faith, who were lukewarm on the likes of Bin Laden, Terror groups or terrorism, ect. Are not something the nation should either be shielding nor importing.

I suspect they are the sorts to make up the majority of the awful portion of the Islamic community in the UK, but all to often they are grouped in together and declared moderate just because they are not willing to wave ISIS flags openly.

They probably don't want to talk about it for other than a conspiracy theory like some think.

[Herskerstad]

Keyboard Zionists and Četnik fanboys trying to understand or (lol!) criticize Islam and Shariah are like a Bleach-Blonde Rich Valley Girl arguing with a Cop who just pulled them over for drunk driving without a seatbelt about how the Law works.

Take some friendly advice. Going down this route will not really accomplish anything.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Perhaps it was not illuminated enough, but I've lived in the UK and my experiences there with people who were considered moderate muslims, and were, incidentally, quite moderate in how they viewed issues of terrorism, that is to say, not really willing to condemn it, left a sour taste in my mouth, and they were not few in numbers either. In short, the point I attempted to lay out is that people of the Islamic faith, who were lukewarm on the likes of Bin Laden, Terror groups or terrorism, ect. Are not something the nation should either be shielding nor importing.

I suspect they are the sorts to make up the majority of the awful portion of the Islamic community in the UK, but all to often they are grouped in together and declared moderate just because they are not willing to wave ISIS flags openly.

Oh. Well. Yeah.

sounds like iERA. kek.

[Alvecia]

Jews are a people, muslims are not.

Could I report him for this?

Probably.

Though I suspect that their point was that there is such a thing as a Jewish ethnicity, but they fucked up by assuming that everyone of Jewish ethnicity is also of the Jewish faith

[Jochizyd Republic]

Keyboard Zionists and Četnik fanboys trying to understand or (lol!) criticize Islam and Shariah are like a Bleach-Blonde Rich Valley Girl arguing with a Cop who just pulled them over for drunk driving without a seatbelt about how the Law works.

Take some friendly advice. Going down this route will not really accomplish anything.

Not a single flame in there.

And people do it all the time towards the migrants and tie them to the rest of "Duh Muslim World Lol" And Insult the Prophet and Islam and Muslims with the sole intent of offending them far, far more than I do back.

Of course, we have free speech and they should be allowed to do this and I'm not complaining about it please don't brand me with the big "SJW" iron I'm sorry daddy.

But I'm only going as far as those who do that. I think I'm fine.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Could I report him for this?

Probably.

Though I suspect that their point was that there is such a thing as a Jewish ethnicity, but they fucked up by assuming that everyone of Jewish ethnicity is also of the Jewish faith

A mod told me that.

[Alvecia]

Probably.

Though I suspect that their point was that there is such a thing as a Jewish ethnicity, but they fucked up by assuming that everyone of Jewish ethnicity is also of the Jewish faith

A mod told me that.

Yeah, I only just saw the report, my bad.

[Kubumba Tribe]

A mod told me that.

Yeah, I only just saw the report, my bad.

It's cool.