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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
180
40%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafist)
17
4%
Shia (Ja'fari)
21
5%
Shia (Sufi/Other)
17
4%
Ibadi
10
2%
Quranist
17
4%
Mahdist (Ahmadiyya/Mahdavia)
8
2%
Non-Denominational
45
10%
Other
104
23%
 
Total votes : 450

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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:07 am

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
And encouraged other people to eat from his flesh and drink of his blood ? That guy, yes.

But he is already a prophet in Islam; so a pious muslim will simply agree he was a great guy ;)

I was going to say.

I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert. Both were good dudes.


Dude, that is like, so spiritual.
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:10 am

Herskerstad wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:I was going to say.

I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert. Both were good dudes.


Dude, that is like, so spiritual.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical- ... le-verses/ just
http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Accepting-Others like
jesus

what a god damn hippie right
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:14 am

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
And encouraged other people to eat from his flesh and drink of his blood ? That guy, yes.

But he is already a prophet in Islam; so a pious muslim will simply agree he was a great guy ;)

I was going to say.

I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert. Both were good dudes.

It's ironic how people who are scared of Islam are usually Nazis or right-wing extremists, or very aggressive Atheists. Sure, you can say that none of these groups are killing right now, but it's because you guys lost.


You forgot pagans ;) But yes, those indeed tend to be upset because they lost. And died ;)
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:19 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:I was going to say.

I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert. Both were good dudes.

It's ironic how people who are scared of Islam are usually Nazis or right-wing extremists, or very aggressive Atheists. Sure, you can say that none of these groups are killing right now, but it's because you guys lost.


You forgot pagans ;) But yes, those indeed tend to be upset because they lost. And died ;)

Pagans also have nazis in their ranks.

A shame, since I know a pagan who is bullied because of this, despite being a good person. Sound familiar?
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:59 am

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert.


Except he wasn't.

I could go on a major rant right now, but I won't. Not really the right thread for it.

Although I think comparisons between Jesus and Muhammad generally aren't helpful or really get anywhere, considering how differently they conducted themselves.
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Postby The Republic Of Falaria » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:04 am

I dislike Islam, I don't dislike muslims but I truly do hate their religion. It supports violation of woman which highly goes against my beliefs as I believe criminals and war criminals who do such deserved to be castrated and die. It says to betray your friend if he is weaker. It can not work with Freedom of speech and etc..

The only country who was able to have Islam and be Democratic was Turkey and they recently failed as their president wants to islamify the country.
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Postby The Republic Of Falaria » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:05 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:I don't care if Muhammad liked his war or that Jesus was a pervert.


Except he wasn't.

I could go on a major rant right now, but I won't. Not really the right thread for it.

Although I think comparisons between Jesus and Muhammad generally aren't helpful or really get anywhere, considering how differently they conducted themselves.


I hate many religions but atleast Jesus didn't go around killing and pillaging and harming woman.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:19 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:I dislike Islam, I don't dislike muslims but I truly do hate their religion. It supports violation of woman which highly goes against my beliefs as I believe criminals and war criminals who do such deserved to be castrated and die. It says to betray your friend if he is weaker. It can not work with Freedom of speech and etc..

The only country who was able to have Islam and be Democratic was Turkey and they recently failed as their president wants to islamify the country.

Prove it.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:21 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:The only country who was able to have Islam and be Democratic was Turkey and they recently failed as their president wants to islamify the country.

Good.
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Postby The Republic Of Falaria » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:22 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Republic Of Falaria wrote:I dislike Islam, I don't dislike muslims but I truly do hate their religion. It supports violation of woman which highly goes against my beliefs as I believe criminals and war criminals who do such deserved to be castrated and die. It says to betray your friend if he is weaker. It can not work with Freedom of speech and etc..

The only country who was able to have Islam and be Democratic was Turkey and they recently failed as their president wants to islamify the country.

Prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

Watch this man's channel, if you want proof.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:24 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

Watch this man's channel, if you want proof.

I meant from the Holy Qur'an, not from a Human. Besides, I can't use youtube as I'm at school on my school computer.
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Postby The Republic Of Falaria » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:30 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Republic Of Falaria wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

Watch this man's channel, if you want proof.

I meant from the Holy Qur'an, not from a Human. Besides, I can't use youtube as I'm at school on my school computer.

Well watch it when you get home, he points out many things from the quran as he use to be a muslim himself.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:34 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I meant from the Holy Qur'an, not from a Human. Besides, I can't use youtube as I'm at school on my school computer.

Well watch it when you get home, he points out many things from the quran as he use to be a muslim himself.

Why don't you just show some ayateen now?
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Postby The Republic Of Falaria » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:36 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Republic Of Falaria wrote:Well watch it when you get home, he points out many things from the quran as he use to be a muslim himself.

Why don't you just show some ayateen now?


What?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:26 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why don't you just show some ayateen now?


What?

Ayateen is 'Arabiyyah for verses. Why don't you just link some ayateen?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:52 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Republic Of Falaria wrote:Well watch it when you get home, he points out many things from the quran as he use to be a muslim himself.

Why don't you just show some ayateen now?

Because you are supposed to be doing schoolwork I assume :P
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:57 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why don't you just show some ayateen now?

Because you are supposed to be doing schoolwork I assume :P

Not now, the teacher didn't assign anything. Actually, when the transition for 4th period came along, we had to take a detour. This is because there was a stretcher out. That is because someone had her iPhone 5s blow up in their hand. She's going to the hospital.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:17 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

Watch this man's channel, if you want proof.

"Islam iz ebil lol"
"Reed dis Brietbart article"
"I have read the Qur'an. I know that's a standard for everyone. But I read parts of the Qur'an. Haha looks like I win again"
"I'm the Apostate your Holy Book tells you to kill lelelelel"
"Oh you have well thought out arguements? Well I have access to WikiIslam's selected Hadith file. Tuff luck chuck"
"I was raised in an upper class Arab and/or Punjabi home with very secular liberal parents. But let me tell you how opressive Muslim culture is!"

Ex Muslim """religious criticism experts""" are always a riot.
And the thing is always the same. They were raised Muslim. Kinda maybe read the Qur'an once. Went online and got a boner to r/atheism porn and now they think they're Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who is a useless bitch anyway)
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:48 am

The Republic Of Falaria wrote:I dislike Islam, I don't dislike muslims but I truly do hate their religion. It supports violation of woman which highly goes against my beliefs as I believe criminals and war criminals who do such deserved to be castrated and die. It says to betray your friend if he is weaker. It can not work with Freedom of speech and etc..

The only country who was able to have Islam and be Democratic was Turkey and they recently failed as their president wants to islamify the country.

People who say Erdogan, who is a generally pretty secular nationalist who happens to be socially conservative, is a theocrat have no idea what they're talking about on the subject. It's just ridiculous.

But kudos for not letting your hatred of Islam turn into declaring war on it and Muslims.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:52 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The Republic Of Falaria wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

Watch this man's channel, if you want proof.

"Islam iz ebil lol"
"Reed dis Brietbart article"
"I have read the Qur'an. I know that's a standard for everyone. But I read parts of the Qur'an. Haha looks like I win again"
"I'm the Apostate your Holy Book tells you to kill lelelelel"
"Oh you have well thought out arguements? Well I have access to WikiIslam's selected Hadith file. Tuff luck chuck"
"I was raised in an upper class Arab and/or Punjabi home with very secular liberal parents. But let me tell you how opressive Muslim culture is!"

Ex Muslim """religious criticism experts""" are always a riot.
And the thing is always the same. They were raised Muslim. Kinda maybe read the Qur'an once. Went online and got a boner to r/atheism porn and now they think they're Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who is a useless bitch anyway)


Why useless ? She has a job, has learned the local language and contributes to society. Which, sadly, is more than one can say about the average muslim in western countries.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:57 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:"Islam iz ebil lol"
"Reed dis Brietbart article"
"I have read the Qur'an. I know that's a standard for everyone. But I read parts of the Qur'an. Haha looks like I win again"
"I'm the Apostate your Holy Book tells you to kill lelelelel"
"Oh you have well thought out arguements? Well I have access to WikiIslam's selected Hadith file. Tuff luck chuck"
"I was raised in an upper class Arab and/or Punjabi home with very secular liberal parents. But let me tell you how opressive Muslim culture is!"

Ex Muslim """religious criticism experts""" are always a riot.
And the thing is always the same. They were raised Muslim. Kinda maybe read the Qur'an once. Went online and got a boner to r/atheism porn and now they think they're Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who is a useless bitch anyway)


Why useless ? She has a job, has learned the local language and contributes to society. Which, sadly, is more than one can say about the average muslim in western countries.

>Contributes to society
lol.

And I don't think the average Muslim in the West is as much as a subhuman animal as you seem to think. There are many that are awful, and they're a problem nobody addresses correctly. But I don't think most in the west are as subhuman as you always whine about.
We get it. You don't like Muslims and you enjoy rubbing that in peoples faces like its some revolutionary statement. Nobody cares. And nobody is going to flame back. So sorry.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:02 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Why useless ? She has a job, has learned the local language and contributes to society. Which, sadly, is more than one can say about the average muslim in western countries.

>Contributes to society
lol.

And I don't think the average Muslim in the West is as much as a subhuman animal as you seem to think. There are many that are awful, and they're a problem nobody addresses correctly. But I don't think most in the west are as subhuman as you always whine about.


Having a job, is contributing to society.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:04 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:>Contributes to society
lol.

And I don't think the average Muslim in the West is as much as a subhuman animal as you seem to think. There are many that are awful, and they're a problem nobody addresses correctly. But I don't think most in the west are as subhuman as you always whine about.


Having a job, is contributing to society.

So? Hillary Clinton also has a job. Doesn't mean anything she does is of worth.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:06 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Having a job, is contributing to society.

So? Hillary Clinton also has a job. Doesn't mean anything she does is of worth.


It still contributes to society, whether the contribution be a good thing or a bad thing.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:09 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:So? Hillary Clinton also has a job. Doesn't mean anything she does is of worth.


It still contributes to society, whether the contribution be a good thing or a bad thing.

Yeah, but they're acting like she's doing a good thing.

Anyway, if we're counting bad contributions. Terrorists and Gangs "contribute" to society.

It's a stupid way to explain it.
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