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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
180
40%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafist)
17
4%
Shia (Ja'fari)
21
5%
Shia (Sufi/Other)
17
4%
Ibadi
10
2%
Quranist
17
4%
Mahdist (Ahmadiyya/Mahdavia)
8
2%
Non-Denominational
45
10%
Other
104
23%
 
Total votes : 450

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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:20 pm

White Chrobatia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's why their empire fell. Man, I sound like FRS >w< :p

I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol


The amount of factors that lead to the decline and eventual fall of the Roman Empire are almost too many to list. A fair bit of them from events they could not administratively, sociologically or militarily have balanced or for that matter predicted, and a fair bit of them disasters from nature herself.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:21 pm

White Chrobatia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's why their empire fell. Man, I sound like FRS >w< :p

I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol

You don't get it.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
White Chrobatia wrote:I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol

You don't get it.


Well tell us then, why did the Roman Empire fall?
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Postby Arachno-Satinism » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:21 pm

Greater Nazi Germanic Reich wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hopefully none.
Why?

I am asking because I am gauging support for far-right fascism among Muslims. The Muslim Brotherhood is probably the most pure fascist Islamic organization.

Only under a twisted definition of fascism, presumably involving a "clerical" version of one. *shudders*
Jochizyd Republic wrote:There is no major religion that says homosexuality is okay.

Religion isn't about following what you want. It really isn't.

Liberals and other types flood every religious discussion with this crap. Give it up. No major religion will ever accept homosexuality, drugs, adultery, or whatever else you want people to do.

But apparently religion is about following what "ascetics" and elders want because they hold exclusive monopoly of knowledge in advancing to the absolute truth and original spirit of the self or whatever bullshit perennialists and superstitious traditionalists are peddling nowadays.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:23 pm

Arachno-Satinism wrote:But apparently religion is about following what "ascetics" and elders want because they hold exclusive monopoly of knowledge in advancing to the absolute truth and original spirit of the self or whatever bullshit perennialists and superstitious traditionalists are peddling nowadays.

Unfortunately :(
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:25 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:You don't get it.


Well tell us then, why did the Roman Empire fall?

I was alluring to a religious point of view.
Also, Imma go to sleep soon. G'nite.
And Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Well tell us then, why did the Roman Empire fall?

I was alluring to a religious point of view.
Also, Imma go to sleep soon. G'nite.
And Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.


We can't read your mind, so you'd have to expand on it if you want us to take it seriously.
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Postby Arachno-Satinism » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Arachno-Satinism wrote:But apparently religion is about following what "ascetics" and elders want because they hold exclusive monopoly of knowledge in advancing to the absolute truth and original spirit of the self or whatever bullshit perennialists and superstitious traditionalists are peddling nowadays.

Unfortunately :(

As a disclaimer, this is not what I claim to believe.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:26 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Well tell us then, why did the Roman Empire fall?

I was alluring to a religious point of view.
Also, Imma go to sleep soon. G'nite.
And Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.

Waalaikumsalam brother, have a good dream.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:27 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I was alluring to a religious point of view.
Also, Imma go to sleep soon. G'nite.
And Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.


We can't read your mind, so you'd have to expand on it if you want us to take it seriously.

The punishments Allah (SWT) sent to the sinning peoples.
Now g'nite.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:28 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I was alluring to a religious point of view.
Also, Imma go to sleep soon. G'nite.
And Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.

Waalaikumsalam brother, have a good dream.

You too.
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:28 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
We can't read your mind, so you'd have to expand on it if you want us to take it seriously.

The punishments Allah (SWT) sent to the sinning peoples.
Now g'nite.


Not a sociology major I take it?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:29 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The punishments Allah (SWT) sent to the sinning peoples.

"Rome fell because Allah hated their sins!"

Good stuff. I guess this means Allah hated Christianity more than He hated Romans fucking everything that moved and was of lower social status than them, since their long period of sexual deviancy was also one of their most successful economically, militarily, and politically.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:31 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:So how long ago did you choose to be straight?

Well the environment I was brought up in helped me.

You didn't answer my question.

At what point/age in your life did you choose to become straight?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New haven america wrote:No, you still get to deal with that, that is a universal constant.

Have fun in Hell. *Nod*

Does this mean I can start preaching sexuality? Like, I'll convert to homosexuality and start handing out pamphlets on street corners about how if you're good and gay, you go to San Fran when you die, but if you're straight, you go to Alabama?

You mean you can't already do that?

Hey, you're missing out, handing out pamphlets can get you a 25% discount at Rainbow Depot.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:There is no major religion that says homosexuality is okay.

Religion isn't about following what you want. It really isn't.

Liberals and other types flood every religious discussion with this crap. Give it up. No major religion will ever accept homosexuality, drugs, adultery, or whatever else you want people to do.

Translation: "My religion says it's not okay, therefore, every major religion ever hates it."

No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

Christianity, Obviously enough does. As does Islam.

Judaism Condemns it. Hinduism condemns it. Zoroastrianism condemns it.

Viewing homosexuality as a good thing is extremely rare in religion.
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Postby Balkenreich » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Does this mean I can start preaching sexuality? Like, I'll convert to homosexuality and start handing out pamphlets on street corners about how if you're good and gay, you go to San Fran when you die, but if you're straight, you go to Alabama?

You mean you can't already do that?

Hey, you're missing out, handing out pamphlets can get you a 25% discount at Rainbow Depot.


25%!?

HOLY SHIT.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:37 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

Buddhism, Hinduism, innumerable forms of common systems of Paganism, y'know, pretty much everything that's non-Abrahamic.
Christianity, Obviously enough does. As does Islam.

Judaism Condemns it. Hinduism condemns it. Zoroastrianism condemns it.

Viewing homosexuality as a good thing is extremely rare in religion.

Shinto is rife with homosexuality. Buddhism has a variety of positions. Hinduism has fuckin' (ha) gods that had homosexual relationships. You're looking at colonial interpretations of religions influenced by European Christianity and Islam and using them as the universal standard by which you judge the religion as a whole.

So yeah, my jibe stands.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:38 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote: Translation: "My religion says it's not okay, therefore, every major religion ever hates it."

No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

False, there are major religion's that accept terrible things.

Like Hinduism, which has an entire sect that requires human sacrifice and murder (In order to appease Kali, an Avatar of Shiva).
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

False, there are major religion's that accept terrible things.

Like Hinduism, which has an entire sect that requires human sacrifice and murder (In order to appease Kali, an Avatar of Shiva).

A minority within Hinduism. Yes.
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Postby Arachno-Satinism » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:41 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote: Translation: "My religion says it's not okay, therefore, every major religion ever hates it."

No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

Christianity, Obviously enough does. As does Islam.

Judaism Condemns it. Hinduism condemns it. Zoroastrianism condemns it.

Viewing homosexuality as a good thing is extremely rare in religion.

One of these is not like the other. It is a mistake to speak of Hinduism as if it possesses an unifying theological view, let alone singular, monolithic moral code as existent in Abrahamic faiths and their predecessor Zoroastrianism.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:42 pm

Balkenreich wrote:
New haven america wrote:You mean you can't already do that?

Hey, you're missing out, handing out pamphlets can get you a 25% discount at Rainbow Depot.


25%!?

HOLY SHIT.

IKR?

I hear you also get to take a pilgrimage to San Francisco, you don't get to stay however, it's more of a preview of what you can achieve by living a good, gay life.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:43 pm

Greater Nazi Germanic Reich wrote:Which Muslims here support the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliates?

They're awful. They're more Just Fundamentalist Populists than Fascists.

Based El Sisi will take care of them.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:44 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
New haven america wrote:False, there are major religion's that accept terrible things.

Like Hinduism, which has an entire sect that requires human sacrifice and murder (In order to appease Kali, an Avatar of Shiva).

A minority within Hinduism. Yes.

Hinduism is still a major religion which allows that practice (The Indian government however, does not).

With that one point, your argument already falters.

You can't win this, this isn't 600 AD, your arguments don't hold up today.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:45 pm

Arachno-Satinism wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:No. Every major religion condemns it. :)

Christianity, Obviously enough does. As does Islam.

Judaism Condemns it. Hinduism condemns it. Zoroastrianism condemns it.

Viewing homosexuality as a good thing is extremely rare in religion.

One of these is not like the other. It is a mistake to speak of Hinduism as if it possesses an unifying theological view, let alone singular, monolithic moral code as existent in Abrahamic faiths and their predecessor Zoroastrianism.

Well, yes. Hinduism is even less monolithic than Islam. And definitely more Ideologically diverse.

However, within it, disapproval of homosexuality seems to be the majority position at the moment.
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