Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What are you typing about?

What good is good in a person if the safeguards against doing evil are effective?

That's what Confucianism says.
There are laws set in place to safeguard against evil. Ex: laws set in place for murder, rape, robbery etc.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Like Joch typed, religion isn't something you choose. It is what it is, no execptions.

Really? I was born and raised Catholic, but I chose not to follow their traditions because I disagree with them. Now I'm choosing to look into Buddhism, which is the religion of at least half of my ancestors.

Is that not choice? Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you mean by choosing.

Yes, you did. I was typing about Islamic sects.

[White Chrobatia]

What good is good in a person if the safeguards against doing evil are effective?

That's what Confucianism says.
There are laws set in place to safeguard against evil. Ex: laws set in place for murder, rape, robbery etc.

And yet people still breach them regularly. They commit evil. They choose to commit evil. And they will be punished in the afterlife for it, at least, according to some religions.

Life isn't just some fated path that we're born into, forced along, and die from. But when the punishment for fornication is a near-death experience, it certainly begins to look that way.

[Conserative Morality]

That's what Confucianism says.

Fuck Confucius. He was a twat who didn't know what he was talking about.

There are laws set in place to safeguard against evil. Ex: laws set in place for murder, rape, robbery etc.

Right, and you know what happens when I meet a person who doesn't murder, rape, or rob?

I don't think of them as a good person. When you effectively forbid certain actions under pain of punishment, it becomes the norm to not pursue those actions. What matters is, as the saying goes, "who you are in the dark".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Like Joch typed, religion isn't something you choose. It is what it is, no execptions.

"You don't choose religion, but you do choose sexuality."

It's like I walked into some weird mirror universe. Does this mean I no longer have to worry about hearing proselytizing Abrahamic religions anymore telling me I'm going to hell?

1st off, you were wrong when you said:

Yes, you can.

Bad news for you, pal. If you can wake up tomorrow and say "Wow, I could really go for fucking a member of the same sex right now.", whether or not you go through with it, you aren't straight.

I was referring to New Haven's quote about him typing: "You can't choose your sexuality", I typed "Yes, you can.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's what Confucianism says.
There are laws set in place to safeguard against evil. Ex: laws set in place for murder, rape, robbery etc.

And yet people still breach them regularly. They commit evil. They choose to commit evil. And they will be punished in the afterlife for it, at least, according to some religions.

Life isn't just some fated path that we're born into, forced along, and die from. But when the punishment for fornication is a near-death experience, it certainly begins to look that way.

How is the illegal sex punishment near-death?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Which Muslims here support the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliates?

Hopefully none.
Why?

[New haven america]

There is no major religion that says homosexuality is okay.

Religion isn't about following what you want. It really isn't.

Liberals and other types flood every religious discussion with this crap. Give it up. No major religion will ever accept homosexuality, drugs, adultery, or whatever else you want people to do.

IIRC, I think some sub divisions of Hinduism accept homosexuality (Don't quote me on this).

No, however, this isn't 600 AD, religious cultural practices change over time, always have, always will.

Actually, some religions have pretty surprising rules, bringing up Hinduism again, there is a subdivision that worships Kali (A form/avatar of Shiva), with one of the requirements of worshiping Kali being ritual human sacrifices and murder.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

When you effectively forbid certain actions under pain of punishment, it becomes the norm to not pursue those actions.

That's a good thing.

[New haven america]

Like Joch typed, religion isn't something you choose. It is what it is, no execptions.

"You don't choose religion, but you do choose sexuality."

It's like I walked into some weird mirror universe. Does this mean I no longer have to worry about hearing proselytizing Abrahamic religions anymore telling me I'm going to hell?

No, you still get to deal with that, that is a universal constant.

Have fun in Hell. *Nod*

[Conserative Morality]

1st off, you were wrong when you said:

I was referring to New Haven's quote about him typing: "You can't choose your sexuality", I typed "Yes, you can.

Not seeing the problem. From my perspective, the conversation can be summed up as such:

NH: "Sexuality cannot be chosen."
EAC: "Yes, it can."
CM: "Bad news. If desiring a member of the same sex is a plausible option for you, you aren't straight."
EAC: "I know."
CM: "So can sexuality be chosen, or are you choosing to be not-straight?"

Where is my interpretation of this conversation wrong?

[White Chrobatia]

And yet people still breach them regularly. They commit evil. They choose to commit evil. And they will be punished in the afterlife for it, at least, according to some religions.

Life isn't just some fated path that we're born into, forced along, and die from. But when the punishment for fornication is a near-death experience, it certainly begins to look that way.

How is the illegal sex punishment near-death?

Isn't it one hundred lashes?

[New haven america]

"You don't choose religion, but you do choose sexuality."

It's like I walked into some weird mirror universe. Does this mean I no longer have to worry about hearing proselytizing Abrahamic religions anymore telling me I'm going to hell?

1st off, you were wrong when you said:

Bad news for you, pal. If you can wake up tomorrow and say "Wow, I could really go for fucking a member of the same sex right now.", whether or not you go through with it, you aren't straight.

I was referring to New Haven's quote about him typing: "You can't choose your sexuality", I typed "Yes, you can.

So how long ago did you choose to be straight?

[Conserative Morality]

That's a good thing.

Insofar as the harm created by the frequency of such actions is lessened, sure. But how does that help you tell who's a good person and who isn't? Really, you or your God aren't testing individual souls, you're testing the methods of a society used to discourage behavior.

At that point, what's the point of free will?

[Conserative Morality]

How is the illegal sex punishment near-death?

The Romans, for example, believed that anything in excess of 40 lashes risked death.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hopefully none.
Why?

I am asking because I am gauging support for far-right fascism among Muslims. The Muslim Brotherhood is probably the most pure fascist Islamic organization.

Fascists? Man, that's new. I'd consider them extremists.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1st off, you were wrong when you said:

I was referring to New Haven's quote about him typing: "You can't choose your sexuality", I typed "Yes, you can.

So how long ago did you choose to be straight?

Well the environment I was brought up in helped me.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How is the illegal sex punishment near-death?

Isn't it one hundred lashes?

Yep.

[Conserative Morality]

No, you still get to deal with that, that is a universal constant.

Have fun in Hell. *Nod*

Does this mean I can start preaching sexuality? Like, I'll convert to homosexuality and start handing out pamphlets on street corners about how if you're good and gay, you go to San Fran when you die, but if you're straight, you go to Alabama?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How is the illegal sex punishment near-death?

The Romans, for example, believed that anything in excess of 40 lashes risked death.

That's why their empire fell. Man, I sound like FRS >w<

[Conserative Morality]

That's why their empire fell. Man, I sound like FRS >w<

"The Romans fell because they weren't vicious enough."

Welp, I'll admit, that's the first time I've ever heard that.

[White Chrobatia]

The Romans, for example, believed that anything in excess of 40 lashes risked death.

That's why their empire fell. Man, I sound like FRS >w<

I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol

[Conserative Morality]

I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol

Decimation wasn't harsh enough, clearly.

[White Chrobatia]

I think their empire fell as a result of political decadence, economic stagnation caused by corruption, and the unavoidable mass migrations caused by the change of climate and the Huns rather than their failure to lash their own soldiers to death.

But my point stands, lol

Decimation wasn't harsh enough, clearly.

if only they crucified more people we'd all still be speaking Latin

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Fascists? Man, that's new. I'd consider them extremists.

They had close relations with Nazi Germany and they are positioned far-right on the political scale. Most people think that the far-right is against Islam. I personally think that future far-right European regimes and Islamists can be allies.

Depends on the far-right's philosophies. Also, Muslims don't needs far-rightism anyway. Allah (SWT) gave us everything we need to know.
As for MB allying with Nazis, that just gives another reason for the world to hate them.