Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Jochizyd Republic]

Genuine Moderates were.

Fair point.

So...

What do we make of these verses:

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 8&verse=12
https://quran.com/9/5
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 5&verse=51
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 9&verse=29

For the Sword Verses
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/03/ ... ord-verse/
For the friendship verse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPrBOupnT1E

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

Fair point.

So...

What do we make of these verses:

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 8&verse=12
https://quran.com/9/5
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 5&verse=51
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp ... 9&verse=29

For the Sword Verses
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/03/ ... ord-verse/
For the friendship verse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPrBOupnT1E

That's some strong sauce, m8

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

So I lost my job, and so couldn't afford my university classes even with the generous financial aid package; and therefore had to withdraw from classes.

Ugh.

On the bright side, now that I won't be studying at a Sunni educational institute I'm more free to look into Ahmadiyya.

That doesn't really feel like a bright side >>

[Greater Tezdrian]

So I lost my job, and so couldn't afford my university classes even with the generous financial aid package; and therefore had to withdraw from classes.

Ugh.

On the bright side, now that I won't be studying at a Sunni educational institute I'm more free to look into Ahmadiyya.

That doesn't really feel like a bright side >>

Their Operations Manager wrote back, saying that finance shouldn't be a barrier to education and to contact them tomorrow to see if something could be arranged. The financial aid package was already very generous, I'm not sure if I would be comfortable with having to plead for something even more generous. Decisions, decisions...

[The Alma Mater]

It can be ignored.

What is annoying is that the New Left has highjacked Islamic Apologism among non Muslims.

Making it very hard for those interested in moderation to distance themselves from SJWs

Yeah, cause the kufr were just dying to be apologists for Islam before the SJWs stepped in...

Indeed they were. Saying anything negative about muslims was "not done" for many decades -no matter how badly they behaved.
Which is why people like Wilders are so succesful now. All that bottled up frustration finally has a place to go.

[Farnhamia]

It can be ignored.

What is annoying is that the New Left has highjacked Islamic Apologism among non Muslims.

Making it very hard for those interested in moderation to distance themselves from SJWs

Yeah, cause the kufr were just dying to be apologists for Islam before the SJWs stepped in...

You would be well advised to avoid pejoratives like "kufr" when posting here.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Yeah, cause the kufr were just dying to be apologists for Islam before the SJWs stepped in...

You would be well advised to avoid pejoratives like "kufr" when posting here.

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Yeah, cause the kufr were just dying to be apologists for Islam before the SJWs stepped in...

Indeed they were. Saying anything negative about muslims was "not done" for many decades -no matter how badly they behaved.
Which is why people like Wilders are so succesful now. All that bottled up frustration finally has a place to go.

Is it that hard to not lump all Muslims in with the bad ones when you address legitimate issues in Islam. Because the Fundamentalists harm other Muslims along with everyone else, so...

And I get it, you have a thing for the PVV and Wilders. Nobody cares. You aren't edgy or a maverick for your views. None of these Populists are. Saying nobody spoke ill of Muslims is just not true. People did. The reason it wasn't widespread was because Middle Eastern Terrorists weren't making so many attacks on Western Soil.

[Farnhamia]

You would be well advised to avoid pejoratives like "kufr" when posting here.

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufr ... And the context of its use in that post was hardly complimentary or even neutral.

[Jochizyd Republic]

You would be well advised to avoid pejoratives like "kufr" when posting here.

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

I do get that it wasn't your intention, but it is in reference to idolators. Not something to call Non Muslims.

Saying it is making non Muslims to be some monolithic anti Islamic force like the Quraysh were. But that isn't the case.

[Greater Tezdrian]

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufr ... And the context of its use in that post was hardly complimentary or even neutral.

Point taken. I'll avoid it from here on out.

[Jochizyd Republic]

So I lost my job, and so couldn't afford my university classes even with the generous financial aid package; and therefore had to withdraw from classes.

Ugh.

Thats...really horrible.

I hope the position you're in now is at least stable and with college, especially community college theres plenty of time to start again. Getting on your feet permanently as an adult takes a while to do. I hope It'll all work out for you God willing, and wish you the best. I've been in situations where my stability is threatened like that. And it is difficult. But, as cliche as it sounds, believing that you can make it better and still keeping a positive mindset and being in remembrance of God really does help.

[Alsheb]

Also... yet another terrorist attack.

Let's be honest, it's probably Takfiri-inspired.

Almost definitely. Europe...should really just vet it's immigrants.

Blaming immigants in general is about as wrong and useless as blaming Muslims or Islam in general. Especially since most terrorist attacks in Europe are committed either by western born and raised people of second, third or fourth generation or by western converts.

[Sandhora]

Almost definitely. Europe...should really just vet it's immigrants.

Blaming immigants in general is about as wrong and useless as blaming Muslims or Islam in general. Especially since most terrorist attacks in Europe are committed either by western born and raised people of second, third or fourth generation or by western converts.

Im not against immigration but the immigrants should do their best to integrate with the society... they should leave their customs and traditions behind. If they had integrated into society, the chances of extremist ideas to flourish will be quite low..

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Blaming immigants in general is about as wrong and useless as blaming Muslims or Islam in general. Especially since most terrorist attacks in Europe are committed either by western born and raised people of second, third or fourth generation or by western converts.

Im not against immigration but the immigrants should do their best to integrate with the society... they should leave their customs and traditions behind. If they had integrated into society, the chances of extremist ideas to flourish will be quite low..

Quite the contrary. For the young people making up third or second generation immigrants, it is the burden of being forced to intergrate while also having connections with their native roots that leads to much internal strife. These kids are forced to chose between their parents and their society, between Islam en secularism. No wonder they become extremists. We should expect these people to learn the language, respect the law, and then nothing else.

Besides, you're confusing refugees and migrants. There is an enormous difference between the two, one that is often overlooked to argue against either.

[Carcelea]

terrorist to strokes are caused by Muslims. Nasty faith is Islam. All those people who were killed. I'm sick of the Muslim community. WHEN IT WILL STOPS?????

[Itoshiki]

10/10 for grammer

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

terrorist to strokes are caused by Muslims. Nasty faith is Islam. All those people who were killed. I'm sick of the Muslim community. WHEN IT WILL STOPS?????

Translating Dutch into English using Google Translate really doesn't pay off that well.You'd do better just to learn the language.

[Carcelea]

terrorist to strokes are caused by Muslims. Nasty faith is Islam. All those people who were killed. I'm sick of the Muslim community. WHEN IT WILL STOPS?????

Translating Dutch into English using Google Translate really doesn't pay off that well.You'd do better just to learn the language.

Because why? They know where I'm talking about.

[Itoshiki]

Translating Dutch into English using Google Translate really doesn't pay off that well.You'd do better just to learn the language.

Because why? They know where I'm talking about.

Surprisingly enough, you'll find that Muslims in this thread generally don't kill people. I'm wondering what are you going to ask them.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Translating Dutch into English using Google Translate really doesn't pay off that well.You'd do better just to learn the language.

Because why? They know where I'm talking about.

"Terroristische aanvallen" does not translate into 'terrorist strokes'. A stroke is what we would call an 'epileptische aanval', an epileptic seizure.

We can gather what you mean, but it does not look very professional, and it does not produce an air of knowledge. It's easy for me, because I speak Dutch, and I can deconstruct your mistakes. Others probably can't.

[Old Tyrannia]

terrorist to strokes are caused by Muslims. Nasty faith is Islam. All those people who were killed. I'm sick of the Muslim community. WHEN IT WILL STOPS?????

Carcelea: Since the warning didn't work out, have a *** one day ban for trolling. ***

[Alsheb]

terrorist to strokes are caused by Muslims. Nasty faith is Islam. All those people who were killed. I'm sick of the Muslim community. WHEN IT WILL STOPS?????

Tell you what, I'll give al-Baghdadi a call and ask him to relax, as soon as you succeed in writing a correct sentence on this thread. Deal?

Seriously, Dutch is my first language too, but heck, this is the worst Dunglish I have ever seen.

[FORMER HATOOTELAND]

You would be well advised to avoid pejoratives like "kufr" when posting here.

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

kafir is not just a non believer, he is a non believer that sins

[Itoshiki]

I was not aware kufr was a pejorative? Kufr/kafir etc is, as far as my understanding of Arabic goes, a generic term for non-believers.

I don't mean to be picky, and am open to being proved wrong, but I have enough marks on my record that I'd like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety if I can help it.

kafir is not just a non believer, he is a non believer that sins

No. There are two meanings of the word kufr (my Arabic lessons are fading so bear with me). The first is that it simply means "ungrateful", i.e those not thankful of God's blessing. Another is used in the same way as kafirûn (plural, from the same root), which refers to those who reject Islamic doctrines.