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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
180
40%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafist)
17
4%
Shia (Ja'fari)
21
5%
Shia (Sufi/Other)
17
4%
Ibadi
10
2%
Quranist
17
4%
Mahdist (Ahmadiyya/Mahdavia)
8
2%
Non-Denominational
45
10%
Other
104
23%
 
Total votes : 450

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:47 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:*wanders in, looks around, quietly hangs up a picture of the Caliph and sits in a corner*

Which Caliph?
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:55 pm

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers! How are you doing?
I woke up and there's not even a single post disrespecting our beloved Allah, our religion or our Prophet. (pbuh)
Alhamdulillah!
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:56 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers! How are you doing?
I woke up and there's not even a single post disrespecting our beloved Allah, our religion or our Prophet. (pbuh)
Alhamdulillah!

... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Free Rhenish States
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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:02 pm

Olerand wrote:
Free Rhenish States wrote:Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers! How are you doing?
I woke up and there's not even a single post disrespecting our beloved Allah, our religion or our Prophet. (pbuh)
Alhamdulillah!

... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?

You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
The undisputed Führer of all Germans on Nationstates. Know your leader!
!I believe in the white race!


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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:05 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?

You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.

The difference being? There are some people that will "disrespect" Islam or Muhammad. Getting bothered by it, with so many people on Earth, many of whom will "disrespect" whatever, seems like an exercise in futility.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Greater Tezdrian
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:08 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:*wanders in, looks around, quietly hangs up a picture of the Caliph and sits in a corner*

Which Caliph?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:09 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Which Caliph?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad

Oof, that choice is going to assure you a tough time you know.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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New confederate ramenia
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:09 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?

You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.

Wait how did this even argument even start?
probando

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Nacesa Plana
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Postby Nacesa Plana » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:11 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?

You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.


Until the opinion isn't upsetting you, another has the freedom to say what he wants. Is that your goal?
It’s unworkable.

“God doesn’t exist”, might provoke religious people.
“God does exist”, might provoke non-religious people.

In the end, you can’t say anything anymore.

It's better if people can express both opinions. Instead of being provoked by such opinions, you could accept that all people think different.

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Greater Tezdrian
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:12 pm

Olerand wrote:

Oof, that choice is going to assure you a tough time you know.

*shrugs*

C'est la vie.
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:13 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.

Wait how did this even argument even start?

Free Rhenish States wrote:Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers! How are you doing?
I woke up and there's not even a single post disrespecting our beloved Allah, our religion or our Prophet. (pbuh)
Alhamdulillah!

What is "disrespect", and with so many people, and even more opinions, on Earth, is it worth getting bothered by this "disrespect"?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:14 pm

Olerand wrote:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.

The difference being? There are some people that will "disrespect" Islam or Muhammad. Getting bothered by it, with so many people on Earth, many of whom will "disrespect" whatever, seems like an exercise in futility.

You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.
Last edited by Free Rhenish States on Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:15 pm, edited 3 times in total.
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
The undisputed Führer of all Germans on Nationstates. Know your leader!
!I believe in the white race!


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New confederate ramenia
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:16 pm

Disrespect is bad, disagreement is OK. Can we all agree on that?
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Felrik
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Postby Felrik » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:16 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:The difference being? There are some people that will "disrespect" Islam or Muhammad. Getting bothered by it, with so many people on Earth, many of whom will "disrespect" whatever, seems like an exercise in futility.

You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.


What exactly are you trying to argue here?
"They're all like Parrots, parroting each other, saying they're right and the other person is wrong."
- Felrik, 3:34 Am, 14 August 2016.

I believe I should have the Freedom to say whatever I like no matter how offensive without negative consequences ( free to criticise me though ).
And do as I like with in the confines of the law.

Pros: Meritocracy, Monarchy, Egalitarianism, free speech and free expression (Most of these are a given)

Cons: Feminism, people who put feelings before fact, and Islam also people who think the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality is acceptable.

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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:17 pm

Felrik wrote:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.


What exactly are you trying to argue here?

I'm not arguing
I explained the whole matter in one post
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
The undisputed Führer of all Germans on Nationstates. Know your leader!
!I believe in the white race!


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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:17 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:The difference being? There are some people that will "disrespect" Islam or Muhammad. Getting bothered by it, with so many people on Earth, many of whom will "disrespect" whatever, seems like an exercise in futility.

You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.

:lol2: :clap: This is good! I like that, that's amazing!

Anyway, I'm not asking about any of that. I am asking the simple question that in a world of 7 billion people and 18 billion opinions, is it not tiresome to be bothered by "disrespect" of your religion?
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French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

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Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Felrik
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Postby Felrik » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:18 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Felrik wrote:
What exactly are you trying to argue here?

I'm not arguing
I explained the whole matter in one post


Well what did you explain exactly.
"They're all like Parrots, parroting each other, saying they're right and the other person is wrong."
- Felrik, 3:34 Am, 14 August 2016.

I believe I should have the Freedom to say whatever I like no matter how offensive without negative consequences ( free to criticise me though ).
And do as I like with in the confines of the law.

Pros: Meritocracy, Monarchy, Egalitarianism, free speech and free expression (Most of these are a given)

Cons: Feminism, people who put feelings before fact, and Islam also people who think the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality is acceptable.

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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:18 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:Disrespect is bad, disagreement is OK. Can we all agree on that?
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French

kek

What is "disrespect"? Is it disagreement? Criticism? Denigration? Slander? What is disrespect? And can you be bothered by such trivial matters?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Free Rhenish States
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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:18 pm

Olerand wrote:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.

:lol2: :clap: This is good! I like that, that's amazing! Spot on!!!

Anyway, I'm not asking about any of that. I am asking the simple question that in a world of 7 billion people and 18 billion opinions, is it not tiresome to be bothered by "disrespect" of your religion?

Did you somehow miss this bit?
You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.

That's the answer you so much demand. ;)
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
The undisputed Führer of all Germans on Nationstates. Know your leader!
!I believe in the white race!


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Minzerland
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:19 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:... Is it difficult to share the planet with 7 billion other human beings of diverging opinions?

You probably didn't know it.
But there is a difference between an opinion and a freedom of speech exercise.

An opinion is an exercise of Freedom of Speech.
'Common sense isn't so common.'
-Voltaire

'I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.'
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:20 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote: :lol2: :clap: This is good! I like that, that's amazing! Spot on!!!

Anyway, I'm not asking about any of that. I am asking the simple question that in a world of 7 billion people and 18 billion opinions, is it not tiresome to be bothered by "disrespect" of your religion?

Did you somehow miss this bit?
You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.

That's the answer you so much demand. ;)

No I still don't understand. How does the holy relate to this? What is disrespect of the holy? What is holy? And can you spare the energy to be bothered?
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Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

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Minzerland
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:22 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote: :lol2: :clap: This is good! I like that, that's amazing! Spot on!!!

Anyway, I'm not asking about any of that. I am asking the simple question that in a world of 7 billion people and 18 billion opinions, is it not tiresome to be bothered by "disrespect" of your religion?

Did you somehow miss this bit?
You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.

That's the answer you so much demand. ;)

How about a no.
'Common sense isn't so common.'
-Voltaire

'I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It.'
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall

I'm a Tribune of the Plebs, so watch out, or I might just veto you. You may call me Minzerland or Sam.
Classical Libertarianism|Constitutional Monarchy|Secularism|Westphalian Sovereignty|
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Hello, people persistently believe I'm American, I'm here to remedy this; I'm an Australian of English, Swiss-Italian (on my mothers side), Scottish and Irish (on my fathers side) dissent.

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Free Rhenish States
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Postby Free Rhenish States » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:22 pm

Olerand wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:Disrespect is bad, disagreement is OK. Can we all agree on that?

kek

What is "disrespect"? Is it disagreement? Criticism? Denigration? Slander? What is disrespect? And can you be bothered by such trivial matters?

I thought disrespect were a plain word that everyone would actually understand, sadly, I was wrong. Look it up in any dictionary. I'll wait.
Why wouldn't we? As I previously have said, we love God and we love our Prophet (pbuh) and other Muslims. We do have value for such things, something you won't ever be able to understand.
I don't care about the opinions of people I don't even think about. Est-ce que tu comprends? Ça m'est égal.
Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, dass er hauptsächlich von Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht. - Kurt Götz
TGs are welcome, I don't bite at all... Or so do I think.
Быть русским значит быть святым, расистом, экстремистом, жидобоем, и мишенью стать для всех исчадий зла.
I am not trillingual, I am sexlingual.
The undisputed Führer of all Germans on Nationstates. Know your leader!
!I believe in the white race!


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Felrik
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Postby Felrik » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:23 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, brothers! How are you doing?
I woke up and there's not even a single post disrespecting our beloved Allah, our religion or our Prophet. (pbuh)
Alhamdulillah!


It's kind of shitty that you can't handle disrespect or as it seems to me ( after looking through the thread ) criticism.
"They're all like Parrots, parroting each other, saying they're right and the other person is wrong."
- Felrik, 3:34 Am, 14 August 2016.

I believe I should have the Freedom to say whatever I like no matter how offensive without negative consequences ( free to criticise me though ).
And do as I like with in the confines of the law.

Pros: Meritocracy, Monarchy, Egalitarianism, free speech and free expression (Most of these are a given)

Cons: Feminism, people who put feelings before fact, and Islam also people who think the "Guilty until proven innocent" mentality is acceptable.

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Nacesa Plana
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Postby Nacesa Plana » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:25 pm

Free Rhenish States wrote:
Olerand wrote:The difference being? There are some people that will "disrespect" Islam or Muhammad. Getting bothered by it, with so many people on Earth, many of whom will "disrespect" whatever, seems like an exercise in futility.

You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever, a such person is a priori unable to understand how believers love each other, no matter what race, political orientation, language or whatever else and we respect other faiths.
So why bother? You don't have anything holy for you. These aren't your things, so leave them to us.


Like you can't have traditional values when you're godless. :)

Do you have respect for godless people? Are you able to understand that godless people can love other people - including religious ones?

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