Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Baltenstein]

I doubt that a lot.

The only places in Europe where the re-drawing of borders is still a thing you could rally people behind are in Eastern Europe.

And Belgium. Wallons and Flemish are hating themselves so much I'm actually quite amazed their country is still holding it's shit together.

And Catalonia, I guess.

I specify: The only regions where annexing parts of a neighbor country into your country is still a popular idea are in Eastern Europe.

[Olerand]

I love Anglo-Saxon liberal logic. The world of light and dark. The existence of white... and non-white! Carry on with that mentality, the world truly is that simple.

Oh it's not so much that. We know the enemy, we're just unwilling to actually fight them cause war's expensive and people die. BUT we don't want to not do anything cause that's...cowardly? I don't know. So we opt for the worst of both worlds: Drone Strikes! Which are worthless because:

1) Mostly blow up children/other civvies
2) Don't lead to strategic territorial gains
3) Cost beaucoup de cash
4) Make us look like the bad guy, which radicalizes more people, which necessitates more drone strikes etc.

Either invade or leave it alone. Don't half arse it and make everyone hate you.

Drone strikes are the least terrible out of a long list of terrible options. Invasions being the worst.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Also won't won't help others achieve a better life, will persecute us Muslims, kill us New Afrikans and whatnot. Imma move if he gets elected.

If you're a born and raised American, you're about as African as I am. Which is not at all.

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

[Communist Xomaniax]

And Belgium. Wallons and Flemish are hating themselves so much I'm actually quite amazed their country is still holding it's shit together.

I dread the day it all falls apart, and they're all really trying their best to bring that day about. I don't want Brussels, nor do I really want Wallonia. But if Flanders can exist as a small European country, Wallonia cannot. It will have to join France, and they are so damn poor and unemployed, we really don't need more social problems.

Would it help if the Walloons converted to islam?

[Baltenstein]

I dread the day it all falls apart, and they're all really trying their best to bring that day about. I don't want Brussels, nor do I really want Wallonia. But if Flanders can exist as a small European country, Wallonia cannot. It will have to join France, and they are so damn poor and unemployed, we really don't need more social problems.

Would it help if the Walloons converted to islam?

You're thinking of Brussels.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I love Anglo-Saxon liberal logic. The world of light and dark. The existence of white... and non-white! Carry on with that mentality, the world truly is that simple.

Oh it's not so much that. We know the enemy, we're just unwilling to actually fight them cause war's expensive and people die. BUT we don't want to not do anything cause that's...cowardly? I don't know. So we opt for the worst of both worlds: Drone Strikes! Which are worthless because:

1) Mostly blow up children/other civvies
2) Don't lead to strategic territorial gains
3) Cost beaucoup de cash
4) Make us look like the bad guy, which radicalizes more people, which necessitates more drone strikes etc.

Either invade or leave it alone. Don't half arse it and make everyone hate you.

Al-Haqq!

[Free Equatorial Nations]

Oh it's not so much that. We know the enemy, we're just unwilling to actually fight them cause war's expensive and people die. BUT we don't want to not do anything cause that's...cowardly? I don't know. So we opt for the worst of both worlds: Drone Strikes! Which are worthless because:

1) Mostly blow up children/other civvies
2) Don't lead to strategic territorial gains
3) Cost beaucoup de cash
4) Make us look like the bad guy, which radicalizes more people, which necessitates more drone strikes etc.

Either invade or leave it alone. Don't half arse it and make everyone hate you.

Drone strikes are the least terrible out of a long list of terrible options. Invasions being the worst.

At least an invasion a la the one we did in Germany during the War and the subsequent billions spent on it afterward led to a stable, free and thriving economic powerhouse (the only thing apart from Britain keeping Europe afloat nowadays). It's all about that after care! An invasion without a Marshall Plan is a terrible thing.

[Olerand]

If you're a born and raised American, you're about as African as I am. Which is not at all.

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

But if you truly wanted to be a "New Afrikan", shouldn't you be a follower of an African religion? And not of an Arab imperialist one?

[Olerand]

I dread the day it all falls apart, and they're all really trying their best to bring that day about. I don't want Brussels, nor do I really want Wallonia. But if Flanders can exist as a small European country, Wallonia cannot. It will have to join France, and they are so damn poor and unemployed, we really don't need more social problems.

Would it help if the Walloons converted to islam?

The answer:

Would it help if the Walloons converted to islam?

You're thinking of Brussels.

Now, that's a shitshow we don't need.

Drone strikes are the least terrible out of a long list of terrible options. Invasions being the worst.

At least an invasion a la the one we did in Germany during the War and the subsequent billions spent on it afterward led to a stable, free and thriving economic powerhouse (the only thing apart from Britain keeping Europe afloat nowadays). It's all about that after care! An invasion without a Marshall Plan is a terrible thing.

You think it is judicious to compare the modern Middle East with Germany? Do they have the same history? The same institutions? The same political traditions?

The comparison does not stand.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I dread the day it all falls apart, and they're all really trying their best to bring that day about. I don't want Brussels, nor do I really want Wallonia. But if Flanders can exist as a small European country, Wallonia cannot. It will have to join France, and they are so damn poor and unemployed, we really don't need more social problems.

Would it help if the Walloons converted to islam?

Converting to any deen does do wonders, but they'll also have to find jobs, along with the national gov finding ways to help these people out. So only relying on a deen won't get you to anywhere much.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Drone strikes are the least terrible out of a long list of terrible options. Invasions being the worst.

At least an invasion a la the one we did in Germany during the War and the subsequent billions spent on it afterward led to a stable, free and thriving economic powerhouse (the only thing apart from Britain keeping Europe afloat nowadays). It's all about that after care! An invasion without a Marshall Plan is a terrible thing.

The Germans also had a strong culture and national identity, were well educated, culturally Western, had had a stable government, and had a familiarity with democracy. All things the muslim world lacks.

[Baltenstein]

If you're a born and raised American, you're about as African as I am. Which is not at all.

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Now look here, my man, the Greeks who came up with the letter "k" were everybit as white as the Romans who came up with the letter "c".

You're not...liberating yourself from the White Devil or whatever if you spell it "Afrikan".

[Free Equatorial Nations]

If you're a born and raised American, you're about as African as I am. Which is not at all.

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Why are you spelling African with a "K", like the Afrikaners?

Also, if you are African, why do you live in the U.S.? Surely you should move to Africa and set up there...

*ADDENDUM*: Calling yourself "African" is a slap in the face of most African cultures which differ more widely than probably most European national cultures. "Africa" is neither a nationality nor a culture nor a race: it's a continent with no real common history or cultural links. The Africa of Kenya and Tanzania is vastly different from the Africa of Libya or Tunisia.

[Aelex]

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Why afriKans? Are you missing the good old days of the German Colonies?

[Communist Xomaniax]

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Now look here, my man, the Greeks who came up with the letter "k" were everybit as white as the Romans who came up with the letter "c".

You're not...liberating yourself from the White Devil or whatever if you spell it "Afrikan".

Given that Germans are just about the whitest folk on earth, and "Afrikan" is how they spell it, it's actually quite the opposite of making yourself a Proud Black Man or whatever the fuck he's doing.

[Socialist Czechia]

I don't want Brussels

You surely mean 'Bruxelles'

Well, Belgium aka Spanish/Austrian Netherlands are pretty much artificial state created through games of Great Powers. Walloonians are French, while Flemish are Dutch (ironically, Flemish language is much more 'pure' historical Dutch than modern Dutch in their own national state). Or would be today all French or Dutch, if no Kingdom of Belgium wasn't created.
No one would miss it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

But if you truly wanted to be a "New Afrikan", shouldn't you be a follower of an African religion? And not of an Arab imperialist one?

Al-Islam has been in Afrika for a long time, and Al-Islam is a deen, not a political ideology, nor is it Arab. Al-Islam is for the world.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Now look here, my man, the Greeks who came up with the letter "k" were everybit as white as the Romans who came up with the letter "c".

You're not...liberating yourself from the White Devil or whatever if you spell it "Afrikan".

Where did I type "White Devil"? Anyway, when Afrikans transliterated their scripts to Latin (more like [subliminally] forced to), they used 'k' because that's what it sounded like when spoken. I have a good link to explain more.

[Free Equatorial Nations]

But if you truly wanted to be a "New Afrikan", shouldn't you be a follower of an African religion? And not of an Arab imperialist one?

Al-Islam has been in Afrika for a long time, and Al-Islam is a deen, not a political ideology, nor is it Arab. Al-Islam is for the world.

Tell that to al-Bashir, whose butchered "African" Africans due to them being impure and improper Muslims his and his Arab cronies' eyes.

[Baltenstein]

Now look here, my man, the Greeks who came up with the letter "k" were everybit as white as the Romans who came up with the letter "c".

You're not...liberating yourself from the White Devil or whatever if you spell it "Afrikan".

Where did I type "White Devil"? Anyway, when Afrikans transliterated their scripts to Latin (more like [subliminally] forced to), they used 'k' because that's what it sounded like when spoken. I have a good link to explain more.

But K is every bit as much a "white letter" as C is.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Which is why I said New Afrikan. And you're right. Unfortunately, racism/white supremacy has separated us from our homeland physically and mentally, sometimes spiritually. But fortunately, by regaining my Afrikan heritage through self-education (something the racist/white supremacist educational system doesn't teach), I can regain my ancestral heritage I'll be a better New Afrikan than I was!

Why are you spelling African with a "K", like the Afrikaners?

Also, if you are African, why do you live in the U.S.? Surely you should move to Africa and set up there...

*ADDENDUM*: Calling yourself "African" is a slap in the face of most African cultures which differ more widely than probably most European national cultures. "Africa" is neither a nationality nor a culture nor a race: it's a continent with no real common history or cultural links. The Africa of Kenya and Tanzania is vastly different from the Africa of Libya or Tunisia.

I know, but I have not idea where I'm from specifically, so I'll have to settle for this, which is something the invaders came up with anyway.

[Paseo]

Iran should not be under the Islamic Regime.

[Olerand]

But if you truly wanted to be a "New Afrikan", shouldn't you be a follower of an African religion? And not of an Arab imperialist one?

Al-Islam has been in Afrika for a long time, and Al-Islam is a deen, not a political ideology, nor is it Arab. Al-Islam is for the world.

Islam was made by an Arab, in the Arabian Peninsula, and entered Africa through conquest -North and East Africa being Byzantine and Ethiopian Christian. The holy language of God in Islam is Arabic. Can't get more Arab than that. And last I checked, the Arab homeland, the Arabian peninsula, wasn't in Africa. If you truly want to be African, Africa itself has no shortage of native religions to believe in.

Again, I repeat, all religions are ideologies.

I don't want Brussels

You surely mean 'Bruxelles'

Well, Belgium aka Spanish/Austrian Netherlands are pretty much artificial state created through games of Great Powers. Walloonians are French, while Flemish are Dutch (ironically, Flemish language is much more 'pure' historical Dutch than modern Dutch in their own national state). Or would be today all French or Dutch, if no Kingdom of Belgium wasn't created.
No one would miss it.

I would. I don't think Belgium was a good idea at them time -a British plot against France really- but I don't want it to implode now. Bruxelles ( ) is majority French speaking, and won't want to go with Flanders, even though Flanders will want it. If Flanders cans stand on its own and not merge with the Netherlands, Wallonia can't. It will have to be accepted into the French Republic. Wallonia is poor, and quite unemployed, and we have our own social problems to deal with and we don't need that. I don't want Bruxelles either. We already have Seine-Saint-Denis, we don't need Molenbeek too.

[Aelex]

Now look here, my man, the Greeks who came up with the letter "k" were everybit as white as the Romans who came up with the letter "c".

You're not...liberating yourself from the White Devil or whatever if you spell it "Afrikan".

Seems like someone don't know Black Hitler yet.

[Free Equatorial Nations]

Where did I type "White Devil"? Anyway, when Afrikans transliterated their scripts to Latin (more like [subliminally] forced to), they used 'k' because that's what it sounded like when spoken. I have a good link to explain more.

But K is every bit as much a "white letter" as C is.

No you must understand. AMERICANS spell Africa with a "C", therefore it's imperialistic. The fact many European languages spoken by whites use K and that K comes from Greek are neither here nor there. If it's an American spelling, it's evil. Now, I'm off on holiday to Dzhohanezbergh.