Latvia to ban Islamic veils

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I already y once had a culture to myself. I'm African American, so I'd rather reclaim that culture. And you don't have to assimilate. I said culture not norms.

Culture and norms are technically the same thing

They're similar, but I wouldn't say they're much the same thing. Culture is how a group of people live, behave and think. Norms are what is considered commonplace.

[Vzysokarus]

Generally supportive on such actions, if you can't wear a mask or a balaclava or something similar you shouldn't be allowed to wear clothing to cover your whole identifiable face regardless of the religious connotation. Obviously Islamic dress which covers the head and hair should be legal for Muslim women to wear. However Islamic clothing that covers the face should be banned in the public sphere. Although given the situation in the country of Latvia I don't really think it was something that should have been a focal issue, or at least so that it actually dictated legislation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What the world?! I just told Alaizia not to be rude, and now you are? And your answer is wrong. On average, Muslim families have 3.1-3.2 children. And yes, ISIS shouldn't be infiltrating anything.

No? If a cockroach can enter into my pants when I'm awake why the ISIS should not infiltrate some of their Jihadists into a refugee wave?

I'm saying they shouldn't be. And if the European countries catch one before something bad happens, he/she should be deported. Besides, you used jihad wrong. Jihad means struggle, and what ISIS is doing isn't a struggle. It's a mass genocide of anyone who doesn't think like them.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Generally supportive on such actions, if you can't wear a mask or a balaclava or something similar you shouldn't be allowed to wear clothing to cover your whole identifiable face regardless of the religious connotation. Obviously Islamic dress which covers the head and hair should be legal for Muslim women to wear. However Islamic clothing that covers the face should be banned in the public sphere. Although given the situation in the country of Latvia I don't really think it was something that should have been a focal issue, or at least so that it actually dictated legislation.

So you would push my Muslim sisters into a pigeon-hole if required?

[Alimprad]

What the world?! I just told Alaizia not to be rude, and now you are? And your answer is wrong. On average, Muslim families have 3.1-3.2 children. And yes, ISIS shouldn't be infiltrating anything.

And it's not Muslim culture, it's Arab culture. Don't et the 2 mixed up please.

...same thing?

[Pyonyen]

Ban niqabs because is not normal for a woman to cover her entire face, it makes them asocial and deprives them from many activities, also is not good for the health(lack of vitamin D). Ban them at least until a certain age (18 or so) and after that all women can choose freely to cover their face or not. The only thing allowed should be the hijab.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And it's not Muslim culture, it's Arab culture. Don't et the 2 mixed up please.

...same thing?

No it's not. Muslim culture spans 5 continents, while Arab culture is mostly confined to the Mid East.

[Vzysokarus]

Generally supportive on such actions, if you can't wear a mask or a balaclava or something similar you shouldn't be allowed to wear clothing to cover your whole identifiable face regardless of the religious connotation. Obviously Islamic dress which covers the head and hair should be legal for Muslim women to wear. However Islamic clothing that covers the face should be banned in the public sphere. Although given the situation in the country of Latvia I don't really think it was something that should have been a focal issue, or at least so that it actually dictated legislation.

So you would push my Muslim sisters into a pigeon-hole if required?

Explain what you mean by "pigeon-hole"

If by "pigeon-hole" you mean making her follow the law while keeping it nuanced enough that she can still dress in a traditionally conservative manner than sure.

Note, I'm talking about banning this and this, not this or this

[Kubumba Tribe]

Ban niqabs because is not normal for a woman to cover her entire face, it makes them asocial and deprives them from many activities, also is not good for the health(lack of vitamin D). Ban them at least until a certain age (18 or so) and after that all women can choose freely to cover their face or not. The only thing allowed should be the hijab.

No. Even then, some young Muslim women still want to enhance their faith in Allah (SWT), so that wouldn't work either.

[Kubumba Tribe]

So you would push my Muslim sisters into a pigeon-hole if required?

Explain what you mean by "pigeon-hole"

If by "pigeon-hole" you mean making her follow the law while keeping it nuanced enough that she can still dress in a traditionally conservative manner than sure.

Note, I'm talking about banning this and this, not this or this

What I mean by 'pigeon-hole' is you forcing them to wear what you want them to wear and not giving them the choice to either wear niqab or hijab.

[Gauliscia]

This isn't the governments business.

[Vzysokarus]

Explain what you mean by "pigeon-hole"

If by "pigeon-hole" you mean making her follow the law while keeping it nuanced enough that she can still dress in a traditionally conservative manner than sure.

Note, I'm talking about banning this and this, not this or this

What I mean by 'pigeon-hole' is you forcing them to wear what you want them to wear and not giving them the choice to either wear niqab or hijab.

Yes than by that definition I do, she be free to practice her religion open and publicly, but we don't allow people to fully conceal their face in public because it a security threat. We don't let people wear Bakaclavas in public, nor do we let people wear traditional religious masks in public. If they want to do so in the privacy of their home, or in the environment of a mosque than that's fine but we shouldn't give people a legal loop hole in legislation regarding public concealment simple because we don't want to offend a religious tradition.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What I mean by 'pigeon-hole' is you forcing them to wear what you want them to wear and not giving them the choice to either wear niqab or hijab.

Yes than by that definition I do, she be free to practice her religion open and publicly, but we don't allow people to fully conceal their face in public because it a security threat. We don't let people wear Bakaclavas in public, nor do we let people wear traditional religious masks in public. If they want to do so in the privacy of their home, or in the environment of a mosque than that's fine but we shouldn't give people a legal loop hole in legislation regarding public concealment simple because we don't want to offend a religious tradition.

I still feel like his is not the right turn Latvia wants to take. I want Islam to be free, not to be put in a box and told what to do by people who might not even know the religion well. As long as no one's being harmed, everything's alright.

[Teemant]

Yes than by that definition I do, she be free to practice her religion open and publicly, but we don't allow people to fully conceal their face in public because it a security threat. We don't let people wear Bakaclavas in public, nor do we let people wear traditional religious masks in public. If they want to do so in the privacy of their home, or in the environment of a mosque than that's fine but we shouldn't give people a legal loop hole in legislation regarding public concealment simple because we don't want to offend a religious tradition.

I still feel like his is not the right turn Latvia wants to take. I want Islam to be free, not to be put in a box and told what to do by people who might not even know the religion well. As long as no one's being harmed, everything's alright.

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

[South Shellfort]

I still feel like his is not the right turn Latvia wants to take. I want Islam to be free, not to be put in a box and told what to do by people who might not even know the religion well. As long as no one's being harmed, everything's alright.

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

These countries do not want more of their own product.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I still feel like his is not the right turn Latvia wants to take. I want Islam to be free, not to be put in a box and told what to do by people who might not even know the religion well. As long as no one's being harmed, everything's alright.

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

[Teemant]

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

There is a problem if it means acting contrary to the values of the countries where it is spreading.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

There is a problem if it means acting contrary to the values of the countries where it is spreading.

But we aren't.

[The Coalition of the Magical unicorns]

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

Tell me, what is your dream Muslim country? (It doesn't have to be the country that you won't to live in, I acutally that you would want- but I digress). I want you to describe me how the country will act (don't just answer the laws of the Qur'an- that's really stupid answer) and what laws would it have.

[Baltenstein]

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly.

So, which of the 1,000,000+ different interpretations of the Holy Qu´ran is the correct one?

[Teemant]

There is a problem if it means acting contrary to the values of the countries where it is spreading.

But we aren't.

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public space but you don't want to accept that.

[The Flemo-Dutch]

I actually support this Ban. We dont wear religious Clothing in the west. and they should god damn learn it!

[Herargon]

There are enough muslim countries in the world where Islam can be free.

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

There, are Muslim countries. And yes, Islam spreading to other countries is wrong. If it was a peaceful branch of Islam, nothing wrong with that - as long as the people having that religion completely assimilate in the culture of the country they immigrate to. However, nowadays, a significant part immigrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa are radicalised due to the civil wars in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, et cetera, and thus certainly they follow a violent branch of Islam. It also recently has become known that ISIL is trying to infiltrate into Europe through the migrant waves.
Whilst most migrants are not dangerous, the ISIL terrorists are. We thus cannot risk any more victims. That is not good, and therefore immigration has to be completely limited.

Also:
You're saying: Muslims may spread to other countries.
But also: 'Christianity does not have to spread to other countries'.
I'm attacking the post, not you, but know, try not to be contradictory to yourself. It makes your own argumentation much weaker, to be honest.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

But we aren't.

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public space but you don't want to accept that.

NON-MUSLIMS IN EUROPE don't cover their faces in public. Some Muslim women in Europe do. How do you always get that mixed up? No offense.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There are no 'Muslim' countries because none of them interpret the Holy Qur'an correctly. And besides, there's nothing wrong with Islam spreading to other countries. If what you said is the case, then there are enough 'Christian' countries that Christianity doesn't have to spread.

There, are Muslim countries. And yes, Islam spreading to other countries is wrong. If it was a peaceful branch of Islam, nothing wrong with that - as long as the people having that religion completely assimilate in the culture of the country they immigrate to. However, nowadays, a significant part immigrants from the Middle East are radicalised due to the , and thus certainly they follow a violent branch of Islam. That is not good, and therefore immigration has to be completely limited.

Also:
You're saying: Muslims may spread to other countries.
But also: 'Christianity does not have to spread to other countries'.
I'm attacking the post, not you, but know, try not to be contradictory to yourself. It makes your own argumentation much weaker, to be honest.

The Christianity thing was a scenario. And a really small minority follows the radical Islamic branch anyways. And no, they aren't Islamic countries if they cut people's heads off, cut off hands and hang people. Islam doesn't permit that.