Latvia to ban Islamic veils

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is a step towards protecting and preserving Europe. I'm all for this move by Latvia.

Well can by the Confederate part of your flag that you support it.

[Based Madoka]

And is this dress code written in the Quran?

I as a Muslim male cannot wear silk, but Muslim women can. From Hadith. We also can't wear see through clothes, and we can't wear pants that o beneath the ankles. I think there's a verse the Qur'an about silk also. I'll have to find it.

It looks like specifically the ruling on no silks for men seems to be purely based on hadithat.

[Scomagia]

This is a step towards protecting and preserving Europe. I'm all for this move by Latvia.

Well can by the Confederate part of your flag that you support it.

Attack the post, not the poster. His flag is irrelevant to his argument.

[-The West Coast-]

This is a step towards protecting and preserving Europe. I'm all for this move by Latvia.

Well can by the Confederate part of your flag that you support it.

The Confederate battle flag in my canton has no bearing on my opinion of Latvia's move to ban Islamic veils.

[Teemant]

If most of the muslim countries in the world don't ask women to wear hijab or cover their face then it isn't necessary.

But simply a nation that has Islam as their state religion or the majority of the citizens are Muslim don't govern the religion. It's the choice of the person (or the family). There's a lot of things that aren't necessary that people do. Just because [insert country here] says that you must [insert command here], that doesn't mean you have to do it in any other country. Banning Islamic veils is against expression of one's religion. It'd be the same as banning the clothing and stylistic obligations of Sikhism, or banning Christian symbols to be worn on a person.

Good article about hijab which I previously shared here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

I wonder what has gone wrong that people in western think that the most radical versions of islam are the right ones. As this article points out moderate muslim women are under increasing pressure.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I as a Muslim male cannot wear silk, but Muslim women can. From Hadith. We also can't wear see through clothes, and we can't wear pants that o beneath the ankles. I think there's a verse the Qur'an about silk also. I'll have to find it.

It looks like specifically the ruling on no silks for men seems to be purely based on hadithat.

You're right. When I searched "silk" in the Qur'an, Allah was talking about the silk in Paradise/Heaven

[Alaizia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/islamic-muslim-face-veil-niqab-burqa-banned-latvia-despite-being-worn-by-just-three-women-entire-a6993991.html

Latvia has banned women from wearing the Islamic full-face veil in public, despite only three people being known to wear them in the entire country. Authorities say the new legislation is necessary in order to protect Latvian culture and prevent terrorists from smuggling weapons under garments. The move follows a similar ban on full-face veils in public spaces implemented by France in 2011.

So, it seems Latvia, will ban niqabs despite the fact that only three people in the country wear them. Very peculiar. This raises a lot of questions: do these three people even know each other? Are they on some kind of terrorist watchlist? Is this move a result of Islamophobia? But, most importantly, what do you think of this, NSG? Is this justified? Should we ban the niqab? Should we ban Muslims? Or do you think that alienating an extremely small community in your country because of your prejudice is something only mean folks do? Comment below.

A decent responce to the Islamic wave that threatens to crush Europe. I wonder how did the "progressive" Europeans even allowed them to do so.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well can by the Confederate part of your flag that you support it.

Attack the post, not the poster. His flag is irrelevant to his argument.

Ok.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/islamic-muslim-face-veil-niqab-burqa-banned-latvia-despite-being-worn-by-just-three-women-entire-a6993991.html



So, it seems Latvia, will ban niqabs despite the fact that only three people in the country wear them. Very peculiar. This raises a lot of questions: do these three people even know each other? Are they on some kind of terrorist watchlist? Is this move a result of Islamophobia? But, most importantly, what do you think of this, NSG? Is this justified? Should we ban the niqab? Should we ban Muslims? Or do you think that alienating an extremely small community in your country because of your prejudice is something only mean folks do? Comment below.

A decent responce to the Islamic wave that threatens to crush Europe. I wonder how did the "progressive" Europeans even allowed them to do so.

The reason people are against this archaic 'law' is because it's bigoted against Muslims. And how would Islam crush Europe anyway?

[Based Madoka]

But simply a nation that has Islam as their state religion or the majority of the citizens are Muslim don't govern the religion. It's the choice of the person (or the family). There's a lot of things that aren't necessary that people do. Just because [insert country here] says that you must [insert command here], that doesn't mean you have to do it in any other country. Banning Islamic veils is against expression of one's religion. It'd be the same as banning the clothing and stylistic obligations of Sikhism, or banning Christian symbols to be worn on a person.

Good article about hijab which I previously shared here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

I wonder what has gone wrong that people in western think that the most radical versions of islam are the right ones. As this article points out moderate muslim women are under increasing pressure.

Understandable. Like most other religions, you have tension between what traditions to keep or discard, this being one in particular. In legal terms, though, you should not ban any religious garb, even with pressure upon people regarding it. On a basic level, it's restricting religious expression (which can be good or for ill).

[Treka-conland]

A decent responce to the Islamic wave that threatens to crush Europe. I wonder how did the "progressive" Europeans even allowed them to do so.

The reason people are against this archaic 'law' is because it's bigoted against Muslims. And how would Islam crush Europe anyway?

I Agree

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The reason people are against this archaic 'law' is because it's bigoted against Muslims. And how would Islam crush Europe anyway?

I Agree

Hey Treka

[Reagan-land]

Well a staggering three people have had there rights violated, at least in America they would have. I doubt the international community will notice and Latvia seems like a small country that wouldn't be on many mulsim priorities list whether they seek safety or to kill people.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well a staggering three people have had there rights violated, at least in America they would have. I doubt the international community will notice and Latvia seems like a small country that wouldn't be on many mulsim priorities list whether they seek safety or to kill people.

If they sought to kill people they wouldn't be Muslim.

[Reagan-land]

I Agree

Hey Treka

The theory is that Islamic culture would spread over time from and European culture and possibly the white race itself would cease to exist and eventually shariah law would be implemented. In other words "Eurabia" would form sort of speak. This is from the dominant nature of Islam, such as "Je suis Charlie" and the nature of Islamic actions int he middle east and way of life that tends to stamp other cultures out. This is also predicted because Islamic birth rates don't go down like whites, so the theory is that muslims will quite litteraly outbreed the native population in a slow motion invasion. Sorry for spelling errors

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And so what if only 3 Muslim women wears niqab in Latvia (which I disbelieve)? They had their rights violated on international law. Latvia either needs to repeal that 'law' or get punished.

[Scomagia]

Well a staggering three people have had there rights violated, at least in America they would have. I doubt the international community will notice and Latvia seems like a small country that wouldn't be on many mulsim priorities list whether they seek safety or to kill people.

If they sought to kill people they wouldn't be Muslim.

I've always hated that argument. Trying to disown the fanatics in your religion by claiming that they aren't Muslim is a cop-out. They justify their actions with Quranic law and lead their lives (and seek to force others to live their lives) by the dictates of the Quran. They are Muslim, flat out.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hey Treka

The theory is that Islamic culture would spread over time from and European culture and possibly the white race itself would cease to exist and eventually shariah law would be implemented. In other words "Eurabia" would form sort of speak. This is from the dominant nature of Islam, such as "Je suis Charlie" and the nature of Islamic actions int he middle east and way of life that tends to stamp other cultures out. This is also predicted because Islamic birth rates don't go down like whites, so the theory is that muslims will quite litteraly outbreed the native population in a slow motion invasion. Sorry for spelling errors

Wow. Well aren't they paranoid?

[Reagan-land]

Well a staggering three people have had there rights violated, at least in America they would have. I doubt the international community will notice and Latvia seems like a small country that wouldn't be on many mulsim priorities list whether they seek safety or to kill people.

If they sought to kill people they wouldn't be Muslim.

Nonsense. Not all muslims come in peace, even if they are not terrorists they still bring the idealogy of islam with them which is basically making the left's mysterious "war on woman" a reality

[Reagan-land]

The theory is that Islamic culture would spread over time from and European culture and possibly the white race itself would cease to exist and eventually shariah law would be implemented. In other words "Eurabia" would form sort of speak. This is from the dominant nature of Islam, such as "Je suis Charlie" and the nature of Islamic actions int he middle east and way of life that tends to stamp other cultures out. This is also predicted because Islamic birth rates don't go down like whites, so the theory is that muslims will quite litteraly outbreed the native population in a slow motion invasion. Sorry for spelling errors

Wow. Well aren't they paranoid?

Umm... to be honest I haven't done a LOT of research into this. I don't think its completely bogus but I wouldn't ban all muslims unless it was a temporary ban until a better system could be made to make sure good people are coming in.

[Teemant]

And so what if only 3 Muslim women wears niqab in Latvia (which I disbelieve)? They had their rights violated on international law. Latvia either needs to repeal that 'law' or get punished.

They didn't brake international laws.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If they sought to kill people they wouldn't be Muslim.

I've always hated that argument. Trying to disown the fanatics in your religion by claiming that they aren't Muslim is a cop-out. They justify their actions with Quranic law and lead their lives (and seek to force others to live their lives) by the dictates of the Quran. They are Muslim, flat out.

So you're saying that the Qur'an justifies killing innocent people? Because it doesn't even say that. The Holy Qur'an only justifies killing in self-defense and wars. And even in wars there's a certain way Muslim must fight. The Holy Qur'an says that killing 1 person is like killing all of mankind, and saving 1 person is like saving all of mankind. So no, Muslims that kill just because have revoked their Muslimhood unless they ask for Allah's (SWT) forgiveness and/or repent. If you didn't know, I'm Muslim btw.

[Reagan-land]

And so what if only 3 Muslim women wears niqab in Latvia (which I disbelieve)? They had their rights violated on international law. Latvia either needs to repeal that 'law' or get punished.

They didn't brake international laws.

It would be cool to have the Constitution be global, but sadly it is not.

[Scomagia]

Hey Treka

The theory is that Islamic culture would spread over time from and European culture and possibly the white race itself would cease to exist and eventually shariah law would be implemented. In other words "Eurabia" would form sort of speak. This is from the dominant nature of Islam, such as "Je suis Charlie" and the nature of Islamic actions int he middle east and way of life that tends to stamp other cultures out. This is also predicted because Islamic birth rates don't go down like whites, so the theory is that muslims will quite litteraly outbreed the native population in a slow motion invasion. Sorry for spelling errors

It's a silly fear, really, and it isn't any different than similar fears against Hispanics in the U.S..

I do agree that there is a strong element of domination and control in Islam, though it's not really any different from Christianity in that respect. Developing countries generally have a higher birthrate than developed countries, irrespective of religion or ethnicity. After a few generations, their birthrates would likely match those of "whites".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And so what if only 3 Muslim women wears niqab in Latvia (which I disbelieve)? They had their rights violated on international law. Latvia either needs to repeal that 'law' or get punished.

They didn't brake international laws.

Yes they did. International Law says that we have freedom of religion, which Latvia broke.