Latvia to ban Islamic veils

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Seems like a rather foolish gesture, to me. What is this ban supposed to accomplish?

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public and it helps to prevent religious radicalization.

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public (appealing to a practice) is not a good reason to ban the practice.

Otherwise we could also ban yodeling in the streets simply because "people don't yodel in public".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The fact that an activity is not common is not a reason to ban it. How does it help prevent religious radicalization?

Because only most radical and fundamentalist islam versions ask women to cover their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

Also this is a good article that talks about hijab. I'd recommend to read it.

That's not even true. Are you Muslim? And I recommend that you find an Islamic source when talking about Islam. Niqab for some of my Muslim sisters is enhancement of their faith and worship in Allah (SWT).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public and it helps to prevent religious radicalization.

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public (appealing to a practice) is not a good reason to ban the practice.

Otherwise we could also ban yodeling in the streets simply because "people don't yodel in public".

Preach.

[Seraven]

yes.

As in yes, you support Islamophobia?

it's nice to know some people actually right #sarcasm

Seems like a rather foolish gesture, to me. What is this ban supposed to accomplish?

People in Europe don't cover their faces in public and it helps to prevent religious radicalization.

So gas masks must be banned as well. I mean, police and military sometimes use it publicly during terrorism counter-attempts...

[Teemant]

Because only most radical and fundamentalist islam versions ask women to cover their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

Also this is a good article that talks about hijab. I'd recommend to read it.

That's not even true. Are you Muslim? And I recommend that you find an Islamic source when talking about Islam. Niqab for some of my Muslim sisters is enhancement of their faith and worship in Allah (SWT).

The authors of the article are muslims. I didn't write the article.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because only most radical and fundamentalist islam versions ask women to cover their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

Also this is a good article that talks about hijab. I'd recommend to read it.

That's not even true. Are you Muslim? And I recommend that you find an Islamic source when talking about Islam. Niqab for some of my Muslim sisters is enhancement of their faith and worship in Allah (SWT).

See, I have an issue with that in terms of doctrine, and I do criticize it because of the same reasons the women in the article do. Because women shouldn't have to cover themselves to be "less appealing" to men. Men need to control themselves. Which is fair since Islam also criticizes Christianity for some of our shit. Which is exactly what covering up your body is. While modesty is practiced in every religion, not all religions ask of their adherents to conceal their features, and if they did they're mostly seen as an archaic practice.

However, I also criticize this law in Latvia because it does nothing to do anything and it solves a non-existing problem.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not even true. Are you Muslim? And I recommend that you find an Islamic source when talking about Islam. Niqab for some of my Muslim sisters is enhancement of their faith and worship in Allah (SWT).

The authors of the article are muslims. I didn't write the article.

The Holy Qur'an tells us to cover ourselves. For Muslim women, they wear a headscarf that covers their bosom. Paraphrased from Qur'an.

[Scomagia]

The fact that an activity is not common is not a reason to ban it. How does it help prevent religious radicalization?

Because only most radical and fundamentalist islam versions ask women to cover their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

Also this is a good article that talks about hijab. I'd recommend to read it.

I recognize that it is an act of fundamentalism to ask a woman to wear a veil or to wear one yourself. However, restricting that practice isn't going to make fundamentalism go away.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because only most radical and fundamentalist islam versions ask women to cover their faces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/

Also this is a good article that talks about hijab. I'd recommend to read it.

I recognize that it is an act of fundamentalism to ask a woman to wear a veil or to wear one yourself. However, restricting that practice isn't going to make fundamentalism go away.

It's not fundamentalism doing what Allah (SWT) told you to do. Muslim women wear hijab out of faith in Allah and modesty, but they shouldn't be forced to at the same time though. Niqab is for those Muslim women who want to take their faith further, but all Muslim women shouldn't be forced to wear niqab.

[Teemant]

The authors of the article are muslims. I didn't write the article.

The Holy Qur'an tells us to cover ourselves. For Muslim women, they wear a headscarf that covers their bosom. Paraphrased from Qur'an.

The only countries where women have to wear headscarf (I don't know about Africa) are Iran and Saudi Arabia. In biggest muslim country in the world like Indonesia women don't have to wear hijab or cover their face.

[Scomagia]

The authors of the article are muslims. I didn't write the article.

The Holy Qur'an tells us to cover ourselves. For Muslim women, they wear a headscarf that covers their bosom. Paraphrased from Qur'an.

Paraphrasing from a religious book in a discussion about practices derived from that book isn't really sufficient. Specificity is pretty important here.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The Holy Qur'an tells us to cover ourselves. For Muslim women, they wear a headscarf that covers their bosom. Paraphrased from Qur'an.

Paraphrasing from a religious book in a discussion about practices derived from that book isn't really sufficient. Specificity is pretty important here.

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[Teemant]

Paraphrasing from a religious book in a discussion about practices derived from that book isn't really sufficient. Specificity is pretty important here.

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Why don't muslim men wear niqab then?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The Holy Qur'an tells us to cover ourselves. For Muslim women, they wear a headscarf that covers their bosom. Paraphrased from Qur'an.

The only countries where women have to wear headscarf (I don't know about Africa) are Iran and Saudi Arabia. In biggest muslim country in the world like Indonesia women don't have to wear hijab or cover their face.

The thing is that they still do it.

[Teemant]

The only countries where women have to wear headscarf (I don't know about Africa) are Iran and Saudi Arabia. In biggest muslim country in the world like Indonesia women don't have to wear hijab or cover their face.

The thing is that they still do it.

Majority of them don't.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

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Why don't muslim men wear niqab then?

There are certain things men must do and certain things women must do.

[Scomagia]

I recognize that it is an act of fundamentalism to ask a woman to wear a veil or to wear one yourself. However, restricting that practice isn't going to make fundamentalism go away.

It's not fundamentalism doing what Allah (SWT) told you to do. Muslim women wear hijab out of faith in Allah and modesty, but they shouldn't be forced to at the same time though. Niqab is for those Muslim women who want to take their faith further, but all Muslim women shouldn't be forced to wear niqab.

It is an act of fundamentalism by virtue of the fact that it isn't regularly practiced by the majority of followers. It is a strict interpretation and following of religious law. That sounds like fundamentalism to me.

[Teemant]

Why don't muslim men wear niqab then?

There are certain things men must do and certain things women must do.

And is this dress code written in the Quran?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's not fundamentalism doing what Allah (SWT) told you to do. Muslim women wear hijab out of faith in Allah and modesty, but they shouldn't be forced to at the same time though. Niqab is for those Muslim women who want to take their faith further, but all Muslim women shouldn't be forced to wear niqab.

It is an act of fundamentalism by virtue of the fact that it isn't regularly practiced by the majority of followers. It is a strict interpretation and following of religious law. That sounds like fundamentalism to me.

Covering oneself with hijab is common. Are you talking about wearing niqab? Even then though, a good amount of Muslim women wear niqab. They may not be the majority, but they are a good amount.

[Scomagia]

Paraphrasing from a religious book in a discussion about practices derived from that book isn't really sufficient. Specificity is pretty important here.

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When talking about religious customs, it is customary to cite the text that requires believers to behave that way.

[Teemant]

It is an act of fundamentalism by virtue of the fact that it isn't regularly practiced by the majority of followers. It is a strict interpretation and following of religious law. That sounds like fundamentalism to me.

Covering oneself with hijab is common. Are you talking about wearing niqab? Even then though, a good amount of Muslim women wear niqab. They may not be the majority, but they are a good amount.

If most of the muslim countries in the world don't ask women to wear hijab or cover their face then it isn't necessary.

[Based Madoka]

Covering oneself with hijab is common. Are you talking about wearing niqab? Even then though, a good amount of Muslim women wear niqab. They may not be the majority, but they are a good amount.

If most of the muslim countries in the world don't ask women to wear hijab or cover their face then it isn't necessary.

But simply a nation that has Islam as their state religion or the majority of the citizens are Muslim don't govern the religion. It's the choice of the person (or the family). There's a lot of things that aren't necessary that people do. Just because [insert country here] says that you must [insert command here], that doesn't mean you have to do it in any other country. Banning Islamic veils is against expression of one's religion. It'd be the same as banning the clothing and stylistic obligations of Sikhism, or banning Christian symbols to be worn on a person.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There are certain things men must do and certain things women must do.

And is this dress code written in the Quran?

I as a Muslim male cannot wear silk, but Muslim women can. From Hadith. We also can't wear see through clothes, and we can't wear pants that o beneath the ankles. I think there's a verse the Qur'an about silk also. I'll have to find it.

[-The West Coast-]

This is a step towards protecting and preserving Europe. I'm all for this move by Latvia.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If most of the muslim countries in the world don't ask women to wear hijab or cover their face then it isn't necessary.

But simply a nation that has Islam as their state religion or the majority of the citizens are Muslim don't govern the religion. It's the choice of the person (or the family). There's a lot of things that aren't necessary that people do. Just because [insert country here] says that you must [insert command here], that doesn't mean you have to do it in any other country. Banning Islamic veils is against expression of one's religion. It'd be the same as banning the clothing and stylistic obligations of Sikhism, or banning Christian symbols to be worn on a person.

That's right. You can't just go of what a country says and then say "it's the truth". If some law has to do with religion, then look at the religious text 1s. Then see what to do about it.