Latvia to ban Islamic veils

[South Shellfort]

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Blasphemy is still punished with stoning in Arab, islamic countries, though. I wouldn't call that 'Muslims aren't doing things to Christians'. The Christians aren't even allowed to bring a bible there in these countries, while Muslims are allowed to do so with their own holy books, in the West. That is not good how the regimes in the Middle East treat these christians, atheists, agnostics, or such.

This.

[Ethel mermania]

Like what Muslims are doing to Christians.
While Muslims don't accept Christians in their nations, Christian nations isn't obliged to open their arms to Muslims refugees and Immigrants.

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi among millions of others, would disagree with you.

[Herargon]

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Except, ya know, there is this little thing called Jyzia which is instituted sub-humanity for jew and christian.

You'd have to know as well, though, that those people called dhimmis then would not be obliged to serve in the military, and that they could practice their own religion as they wanted, as long as they didn't try to convert Muslims.

AFAIK, currently only the first part is in effect in most of the Middle East, though. I doubt that it would have to be called a rightful law by then.

[Kelvaros Prime]

Must have missed that, thanks!

It was the OP, but no problem!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Blasphemy is still punished with stoning in Arab, islamic countries, though. I wouldn't call that 'Muslims aren't doing things to Christians'. The Christians aren't even allowed to bring a bible there in these countries, while Muslims are allowed to do so with their own holy books, in the West. That is not good how the regimes in the Middle East treat these christians, atheists, agnostics, or such.

True, but Islam doesn't allow this. The Arab countries do though. This means that the Arab countries have deviated from their own religion they so much cherish.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hijab and Niqab are fine. It's just that the Niqab is boosting modesty to some Muslims. Hijab is said in the Qur'an, but a Niqab is optional.

Then there is no problem if a country doesn't want its citizens covering their faces in public.

But you're still restricted my Muslim sisters from furthering their faith in Allah (SWT). Even though something might be optional, people still don't want to be forced to do something.

[South Shellfort]

Then there is no problem if a country doesn't want its citizens covering their faces in public.

But you're still restricted my Muslim sisters from furthering their faith in Allah (SWT). Even though something might be optional, people still don't want to be forced to do something.

First question: do you live in Latvia?

[Valaran]

Must have missed that, thanks!

It was the OP, but no problem!

I went straight to article instead and hunted for quotes by officials rather than look at what the paper itself said.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hijab and Niqab are fine. It's just that the Niqab is boosting modesty to some Muslims. Hijab is said in the Qur'an, but a Niqab is optional.

Then there is no problem if a country doesn't want its citizens covering their faces in public.

It is if they feel they want to be closer to Allah (SWT) that way.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

But you're still restricted my Muslim sisters from furthering their faith in Allah (SWT). Even though something might be optional, people still don't want to be forced to do something.

First question: do you live in Latvia?

No, America

[Wallenburg]

But you're still restricted my Muslim sisters from furthering their faith in Allah (SWT). Even though something might be optional, people still don't want to be forced to do something.

First question: do you live in Latvia?

Do you?

[Herargon]

Blasphemy is still punished with stoning in Arab, islamic countries, though. I wouldn't call that 'Muslims aren't doing things to Christians'. The Christians aren't even allowed to bring a bible there in these countries, while Muslims are allowed to do so with their own holy books, in the West. That is not good how the regimes in the Middle East treat these christians, atheists, agnostics, or such.

True, but Islam doesn't allow this. The Arab countries do though. This means that the Arab countries have deviated from their own religion they so much cherish.

They haven't deviated from their religion. It's just that they interprete the Quran too literally and strictly. If they really deviated from their religion, it would have to be called a new religion.
Islam does not allow nor disallow. It's the Quran that allows or disallows, and the leaders of the muslim countries that interprete what to allow and disallow. In most cases, they chose to go for the 'disallow' option regarding practices and laws.
Although I can understand and respect that they want to be religious and have their own religion, I cannot respect the mistreatment of people there, whether it are Muslims, non-Muslims, Arabs, non-Arabs, heterosexuals and homosexuals, or whatsoever. They are all still people. And those people need be treated as humans, not as sub-humane animals. To do that, a radical shift in thinking is needed, towards a mindset of 'allow anyone to live and life as they please, as long as it doesn't bother another.' There should be a mindset of 'let us look critically at ourselves', and most importantly, 'one's freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.' That should be the guideline. Currently, only Tunisia is quite successful with that. I applaud them for that, but it is honestly depressing to see that other parts of the Arab/Muslim world haven't followed that path yet.

Herargon

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's a part of my religion, and you are going to suppress that? Now my Muslim sisters can't even practice their religion to the fullest they can? Latvia may not have banned Islam itself, but they banned a huge part of it.

But would you support that western men and women wouldn't have to respect islamic laws (like women must cover their faces) in muslim countries?

They should respect other cultures, religions, etc. But they don't have to follow them.

[South Shellfort]

First question: do you live in Latvia?

Do you?

No

And you?

[Wallenburg]

Do you?

No

And you?

Happily, no.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

True, but Islam doesn't allow this. The Arab countries do though. This means that the Arab countries have deviated from their own religion they so much cherish.

They haven't deviated from their religion. It's just that they interprete the Quran too literally and strictly. If they really deviated from their religion, it would have to be called a new religion.
Islam does not allow nor disallow. It's the Quran that allows or disallows, and the leaders of the muslim countries that interprete what to allow and disallow. In most cases, they chose to go for the 'disallow' option regarding practices and laws.
Although I can understand and respect that they want to be religious and have their own religion, I cannot respect the mistreatment of people there, whether it are Muslims, non-Muslims, Arabs, non-Arabs, heterosexuals and homosexuals, or whatsoever. They are all still people. And those people need be treated as humans, not as sub-humane animals. To do that, a radical shift in thinking is needed, towards a mindset of 'allow anyone to live and life as they please, as long as it doesn't bother another.' There should be a mindset of 'let us look critically at ourselves', and most importantly, 'one's freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.' That should be the guideline. Currently, only Tunisia is quite successful with that. I applaud them for that, but it is honestly depressing to see that other parts of the Arab/Muslim world haven't followed that path yet.

Herargon

I see what you're saying. There's also sects of Islam that take the Holy Qur'an literally. Saudi Arabia is Salafi a literal-minded sect of Islam.

[Herargon]

They haven't deviated from their religion. It's just that they interprete the Quran too literally and strictly. If they really deviated from their religion, it would have to be called a new religion.
Islam does not allow nor disallow. It's the Quran that allows or disallows, and the leaders of the muslim countries that interprete what to allow and disallow. In most cases, they chose to go for the 'disallow' option regarding practices and laws.
Although I can understand and respect that they want to be religious and have their own religion, I cannot respect the mistreatment of people there, whether it are Muslims, non-Muslims, Arabs, non-Arabs, heterosexuals and homosexuals, or whatsoever. They are all still people. And those people need be treated as humans, not as sub-humane animals. To do that, a radical shift in thinking is needed, towards a mindset of 'allow anyone to live and life as they please, as long as it doesn't bother another.' There should be a mindset of 'let us look critically at ourselves', and most importantly, 'one's freedom ends where the freedom of another person begins.' That should be the guideline. Currently, only Tunisia is quite successful with that. I applaud them for that, but it is honestly depressing to see that other parts of the Arab/Muslim world haven't followed that path yet.

Herargon

I see what you're saying. There's also sects of Islam that take the Holy Qur'an literally. Saudi Arabia is Salafi a literal-minded sect of Islam.

There are those sects, yes.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Except, ya know, there is this little thing called Jyzia which is instituted sub-humanity for jew and christian.

It's not sub-humanity. Besides, Islamic societies can set the jizya to a certain point, but still has to be humane.

[Valaran]

Except, ya know, there is this little thing called Jyzia which is instituted sub-humanity for jew and christian.

It's not sub-humanity. Besides, Islamic societies can set the jizya to a certain point, but still has to be humane.

What's humane about it? (genuine question)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's not sub-humanity. Besides, Islamic societies can set the jizya to a certain point, but still has to be humane.

What's humane about it? (genuine question)

Say zakah is $10. If jizya is, say, a $1 more, it's humane, but if it's $20, it's wrong. Yeah, jizya was a little bit of a dilemma that former Islamic nation had to deal with.

[Valaran]

What's humane about it? (genuine question)

Say zakah is $10. If jizya is, say, a $1 more, it's humane, but if it's $20, it's wrong. Yeah, jizya was a little bit of a dilemma that former Islamic nation had to deal with.

Oh I didn't mean the amount - I meant why should we have to pay anything?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Say zakah is $10. If jizya is, say, a $1 more, it's humane, but if it's $20, it's wrong. Yeah, jizya was a little bit of a dilemma that former Islamic nation had to deal with.

Oh I didn't mean the amount - I meant why should we have to pay anything?

Why should you have to pay any jizya? Besides the Qur'an saying so, I don't know why else.

[Valaran]

Oh I didn't mean the amount - I meant why should we have to pay anything?

Why should you have to pay any jizya? Besides the Qur'an saying so, I don't know why else.

is that really enough of a reason? After all, jews and christians don't follow the Qur'an.

[Napkiraly]

Except, ya know, there is this little thing called Jyzia which is instituted sub-humanity for jew and christian.

It's not sub-humanity. Besides, Islamic societies can set the jizya to a certain point, but still has to be humane.

No but sharia does create a segregated society where Muslims have more rights than non-Muslims.

[Napkiraly]

Why should you have to pay any jizya? Besides the Qur'an saying so, I don't know why else.

is that really enough of a reason? After all, jews and christians don't follow the Qur'an.

I'm pretty sure most Muslims wouldn't be fond of having to pay a special tax in the West simply for being Muslim after all.