Latvia to ban Islamic veils

[Ethel mermania]

What? How can Latvians wanting to preserve their culture in Latvia eradicate other cultures?

They're doing now with the religious ban. Eradicating Islamic culture.

They are not banning islam, just going veiled in public. Unless you want to put forward the veil as a central Tennant of islam.

[Kelvaros Prime]

And eradicate any other cultures?

Banning veils isn't banning Islam itself.
Banning veils isn't genocide against Muslims.

This.

[Vassenor]

And eradicate any other cultures?

Banning veils isn't banning Islam itself.
Banning veils isn't genocide against Muslims.

And yet people still think that banning crucifixes is genocide against Christians.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They're doing now with the religious ban. Eradicating Islamic culture.

They are not banning islam, just going veiled in public. Unless you want to put forward the veil as a central Tennant of islam.

It is. I wouldn't say it's central though. What's central is follow the word of Allah (SWT).

[South Shellfort]

What? How can Latvians wanting to preserve their culture in Latvia eradicate other cultures?

They're doing now with the religious ban. Eradicating Islamic culture.

Like what Muslims are doing to Christians.
While Muslims don't accept Christians in their nations, Christian nations isn't obliged to open their arms to Muslims refugees and Immigrants.

[Kelvaros Prime]

Banning veils isn't banning Islam itself.
Banning veils isn't genocide against Muslims.

And yet people still think that banning crucifixes is genocide against Christians.

Bad comparison. Latvia is banning facial veils to promote security in regards to the influx of Muslim immigrants. Banning a crucifix for that exact reason wouldn't make sense.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They're doing now with the religious ban. Eradicating Islamic culture.

They didn't ban the religion.
Latvians don't cover their faces in public space and they expect foreigners to respect that.
I'm sure that if a woman from Europe goes to a muslim country where women have to cover their faces then people there expect her to do same.
Europan cultures and social norms must be respected too.

It's a part of my religion, and you are going to suppress that? Now my Muslim sisters can't even practice their religion to the fullest they can? Latvia may not have banned Islam itself, but they banned a huge part of it.

[Teemant]

Shitate what?

You made a statement, she wants you to show evidence of that statement. Not really terribly complicated.

It was my opinion not an argument. Opinion doesn't need evidence or facts.
I'm not going to post evidence or even waste my time doing so because he/she doesn't agree with me anyways and no matter how much evidence I would post it wouldn't change anything.

[Teemant]

They didn't ban the religion.
Latvians don't cover their faces in public space and they expect foreigners to respect that.
I'm sure that if a woman from Europe goes to a muslim country where women have to cover their faces then people there expect her to do same.
Europan cultures and social norms must be respected too.

It's a part of my religion, and you are going to suppress that? Now my Muslim sisters can't even practice their religion to the fullest they can? Latvia may not have banned Islam itself, but they banned a huge part of it.

But would you support that western men and women wouldn't have to respect islamic laws (like women must cover their faces) in muslim countries?

[Dooom35796821595]

They are not banning islam, just going veiled in public. Unless you want to put forward the veil as a central Tennant of islam.

It is. I wouldn't say it's central though. What's central is follow the word of Allah (SWT).

Well maybe you can ask Allah why the majority of Muslims don't wear a niqab?

[Valaran]

And yet people still think that banning crucifixes is genocide against Christians.

Bad comparison. Latvia is banning facial veils to promote security in regards to the influx of Muslim immigrants.

Has that been the official reason? I haven't seen anyone in the Latvian govt. say this is why their banning the Niqab (only a former president did).

The Justice Minister gave this reason instead:

“We do not only protect Latvian cultural-historical values, but the cultural-historical values of Europe.”

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They're doing now with the religious ban. Eradicating Islamic culture.

Like what Muslims are doing to Christians.
While Muslims don't accept Christians in their nations, Christian nations isn't obliged to open their arms to Muslims refugees and Immigrants.

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

[Herargon]

He is saying you would need to support your thought with arguments to prove your statement.

It was my opinion not an argument.

I never said you made an argument. I said you had a thought, or in other words, an opinion.
An argument is a statement made to support an opinion.
Clear now? Fine.

[Kelvaros Prime]

Bad comparison. Latvia is banning facial veils to promote security in regards to the influx of Muslim immigrants.

Has that been the official reason? I haven't seen anyone in the Latvian govt. say this is why their banning the Niqab (only a former president did).

The Justice Minister gave this reason instead:

“We do not only protect Latvian cultural-historical values, but the cultural-historical values of Europe.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/islamic-muslim-face-veil-niqab-burqa-banned-latvia-despite-being-worn-by-just-three-women-entire-a6993991.html

Latvia has banned women from wearing the Islamic full-face veil in public, despite only three people being known to wear them in the entire country. Authorities say the new legislation is necessary in order to protect Latvian culture and prevent terrorists from smuggling weapons under garments. The move follows a similar ban on full-face veils in public spaces implemented by France in 2011.

[Ethel mermania]

They are not banning islam, just going veiled in public. Unless you want to put forward the veil as a central Tennant of islam.

It is. I wouldn't say it's central though. What's central is follow the word of Allah (SWT).

Either it is or it isn't. If it's not a central Tennant of thr faith, banning it is not banning islam. Most of the Muslims I know do not go veiled, (many of them do wear the headscarf).

Simply as a public safety issue, faces in public should be uncovered.

[Teemant]

It was my opinion not an argument.

I never said you made an argument. I said you had a thought, or in other words, an opinion.
An argument is a statement made to support an opinion.
Clear now? Fine.

I didn't want my opinion to become an argument.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It is. I wouldn't say it's central though. What's central is follow the word of Allah (SWT).

Well maybe you can ask Allah why the majority of Muslims don't wear a niqab?

Hijab and Niqab are fine. It's just that the Niqab is boosting modesty to some Muslims. Hijab is said in the Qur'an, but a Niqab is optional.

[Alvecia]

You made a statement, she wants you to show evidence of that statement. Not really terribly complicated.

It was my opinion not an argument. Opinion doesn't need evidence or facts.
I'm not going to post evidence or even waste my time doing so because he/she doesn't agree with me anyways and no matter how much evidence I would post it wouldn't change anything.

Opinion can be objectively wrong.
I can be of the opinion that trees are all blue, but I'd be objectively wrong.

[South Shellfort]

They didn't ban the religion.
Latvians don't cover their faces in public space and they expect foreigners to respect that.
I'm sure that if a woman from Europe goes to a muslim country where women have to cover their faces then people there expect her to do same.
Europan cultures and social norms must be respected too.

It's a part of my religion, and you are going to suppress that? Now my Muslim sisters can't even practice their religion to the fullest they can? Latvia may not have banned Islam itself, but they banned a huge part of it.

Security reasons. Europe are becoming the favorite playground for Religious Terrorism. Veils can be used to hide the identity of terrorists.

[Herargon]

Like what Muslims are doing to Christians.
While Muslims don't accept Christians in their nations, Christian nations isn't obliged to open their arms to Muslims refugees and Immigrants.

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Blasphemy is still punished with stoning in Arab, islamic countries, though. I wouldn't call that 'Muslims aren't doing things to Christians'. The Christians aren't even allowed to bring a bible there in these countries, while Muslims are allowed to do so with their own holy books, in the West. That is not good how the regimes in the Middle East treat these christians, atheists, agnostics, or such.

[Aelex]

Muslims aren't doing things to Christians, bad people are n't things to Christians. Mistreatment is banned in Islam, so doing so is not following your religion. If you've been doing that for a long time, you may as well not be Muslim.

Except, ya know, there is this little thing called Jyzia which is instituted sub-humanity for jew and christian.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It is. I wouldn't say it's central though. What's central is follow the word of Allah (SWT).

Either it is or it isn't. If it's not a central Tennant of thr faith, banning it is not banning islam. Most of the Muslims I know do not go veiled, (many of them do wear the headscarf).

Simply as a public safety issue, faces in public should be uncovered.

If Muslims going around with a headscarf, that's a veil (considered by some). And I'm Muslim too. I wouldn't say it's central because serving Allah (SWT) is central.

[Valaran]

Has that been the official reason? I haven't seen anyone in the Latvian govt. say this is why their banning the Niqab (only a former president did).

The Justice Minister gave this reason instead:

“We do not only protect Latvian cultural-historical values, but the cultural-historical values of Europe.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/islamic-muslim-face-veil-niqab-burqa-banned-latvia-despite-being-worn-by-just-three-women-entire-a6993991.html

Must have missed that, thanks!

[Dooom35796821595]

Well maybe you can ask Allah why the majority of Muslims don't wear a niqab?

Hijab and Niqab are fine. It's just that the Niqab is boosting modesty to some Muslims. Hijab is said in the Qur'an, but a Niqab is optional.

Then there is no problem if a country doesn't want its citizens covering their faces in public.

[Herargon]

I never said you made an argument. I said you had a thought, or in other words, an opinion.
An argument is a statement made to support an opinion.
Clear now? Fine.

I didn't want my opinion to become an argument.

That is not even what I said. I said, you had to support your opinion with an argument, not to replace it. That is special to give me words I've not said as you thought.