[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[Ostroeuropa]

Clinton has called for an end to mass incarceration and a more lenient prison system that does not jail for non-violent crimes, lower sentences, and a bigger focus on rehabilitation.

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Just for the poor wimminz though.

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kay. Third party it is.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Clinton has called for an end to mass incarceration and a more lenient prison system that does not jail for non-violent crimes, lower sentences, and a bigger focus on rehabilitation.

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Just for the poor wimminz though.

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kay. Third party it is.

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

[Ostroeuropa]

Clinton has called for an end to mass incarceration and a more lenient prison system that does not jail for non-violent crimes, lower sentences, and a bigger focus on rehabilitation.

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Just for the poor wimminz though.

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kay. Third party it is.

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

[USS Monitor]

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

You're not sure why?
Come on. Yes you are.
It's because she's a sexist. Take a look at her stunned disbelief that young women weren't automatically voting for her.
Most of her generation of women were stunned by it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Yeah that was pretty bad. I think we can all agree the US has a mass incarceration problem, but it's not like it's a womens issue. Women already get lesser sentences than men for the same crimes and whatnot, if anything it's more of an issue for men (black men especially).

I really loved the bit about "every part of the justice system should reflect women's unique needs." though.

[The Romulan Republic]

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

You're not sure why?
Come on. Yes you are.
It's because she's a sexist. Take a look at her stunned disbelief that young women weren't automatically voting for her.
Most of her generation of women were stunned by it.

Yes, yes, we all know about your well-documented hostility and paranoia towards women. Could you please at least pollute some other thread with it, if you won't keep it to yourself?

[Ostroeuropa]

You're not sure why?
Come on. Yes you are.
It's because she's a sexist. Take a look at her stunned disbelief that young women weren't automatically voting for her.
Most of her generation of women were stunned by it.

Yes, yes, we all know about your well-documented hostility and paranoia towards women. Could you please at least pollute some other thread with it, if you won't keep it to yourself?

So you're not actually going to address the point I just brought up and just dismiss it as not really happening? Okay. I'll be sure to just dismiss any complaints about the republicans curtailing civil rights as just paranoia and hostility in the future.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Yeah that was pretty bad. I think we can all agree the US has a mass incarceration problem, but it's not like it's a womens issue. Women already get lesser sentences than men for the same crimes and whatnot, if anything it's more of an issue for men (black men especially).

I really loved the bit about "every part of the justice system should reflect women's unique needs." though.

If she's talking about womens unique medical and hygeine needs, then ofcourse that should be the case, but otherwise I don't see what she's talking about.

[The Romulan Republic]

Yes, yes, we all know about your well-documented hostility and paranoia towards women. Could you please at least pollute some other thread with it, if you won't keep it to yourself?

So you're not actually going to address the point I just brought up and just dismiss it as not really happening? Okay. I'll be sure to just dismiss any complaints about the republicans curtailing civil rights as just paranoia and hostility in the future.

I'm not familiar with the Clinton statement in question, and do not argue it either way at this time, though on your reputation and past positions on gender issues, I'm sure as hell not going to take your word on it.

But I found your statement "Most of her generation of women were stunned by it" stereotypical and dubious.

[USS Monitor]

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

You're not sure why?
Come on. Yes you are.
It's because she's a sexist. Take a look at her stunned disbelief that young women weren't automatically voting for her.
Most of her generation of women were stunned by it.

That definitely rubs me the wrong way when she acts like I should automatically vote for her because she's female.

To be fair, Bernie can be pretty awkward when people ask him about women's issues, so it's not too surprising that there are some women who are turned off by that. Personally, I don't think he means any disrespect; it's just a lack of experience dealing with the world from a female perspective combined with an awareness of the massive shitstorm it'll set off if he says the wrong thing. It's got to be a bit intimidating to answer those sorts of questions when you're running against someone that could be the first female president, and you've got rabid feminazis chomping at the bit looking for any excuse to call you sexist.

But my point was that I'm not sure why Clinton is sexist in the particular ways she is.

[USS Monitor]

You're not sure why?
Come on. Yes you are.
It's because she's a sexist. Take a look at her stunned disbelief that young women weren't automatically voting for her.
Most of her generation of women were stunned by it.

Yes, yes, we all know about your well-documented hostility and paranoia towards women. Could you please at least pollute some other thread with it, if you won't keep it to yourself?

This was actually relevant to the primary. Gender has come into the election a lot this year.

[AiliailiA]

Clinton has called for an end to mass incarceration and a more lenient prison system that does not jail for non-violent crimes, lower sentences, and a bigger focus on rehabilitation.

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Just for the poor wimminz though.

...

kay. Third party it is.

ayyy feel the Johnson

I get the joke, and one of the things I like about the LP is that they can joke about themselves.

But that particular joke draws attention to the party mostly appealing to men, which in my opinion is a problem for growing the party in future. Most particularly, you don't want to attract MRA's like Ostroeuropa to the party or the female members you do have will leave and it's all downhill from there.

[Washington Resistance Army]

ayyy feel the Johnson

I get the joke, and one of the things I like about the LP is that they can joke about themselves.

But that particular joke draws attention to the party mostly appealing to men, which in my opinion is a problem for growing the party in future. Most particularly, you don't want to attract MRA's like Ostroeuropa to the party or the female members you do have will leave and it's all downhill from there.

I don't think it'll have any adverse effects really, I just love saying it so I will whenever possible

Plus, a vote is a vote amirite?

[Khadgar]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

Well according to her website, the US has 5% of the world's women, but 30% of the female prisoners.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

Well according to her website, the US has 5% of the world's women, but 30% of the female prisoners.

Other countries being even more sexist doesn't make it any better. Besides which, the US is the largest jailer in the world. The figures are disproportionate for men too.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not sure why she felt the need to make that so very gender-specific... It talks about a lot of things that also apply to men in prison.

Well according to her website, the US has 5% of the world's women, but 30% of the female prisoners.

The US is the largest jailer in the world, it isn't a gender issue. It's just a huge issue overall for everyone.

[Valaran]

Well according to her website, the US has 5% of the world's women, but 30% of the female prisoners.

Then again, the US has 20% of the world's total prison population (roughly) and 4.4% of its total population, so the disparity is reflected regardless of gender.

[Khadgar]

Well according to her website, the US has 5% of the world's women, but 30% of the female prisoners.

Then again, the US has 20% of the world's total prison population (roughly) and 4.4% of its total population, so the disparity is reflected regardless of gender.

True but if we have 20% of the world's prison population and 30% of the world's prison population that is women, that's a gender issue. There's no doubt we lock up way too many people.

I believe it was said that he "fired" people in states that already voted.

Wonder if he'll be hiring more in Cali. He should have plenty of cash, but then again he's been burning money like mad.

[Valaran]

Then again, the US has 20% of the world's total prison population (roughly) and 4.4% of its total population, so the disparity is reflected regardless of gender.

True but if we have 20% of the world's prison population and 30% of the world's prison population that is women, that's a gender issue. There's no doubt we lock up way too many people.

Actually, I think Hillary's figure is probably just inaccurate.

The link is for the notion that the US holds 25% of the prison population generally, buts its equally applicable to her female prisoner stat.

[Ashmoria]

The de-escalation begins: Sanders is firing hundreds of campaign staff.

Does that necessarily equal "Sanders is backing out of the race?"

I mean, I know the Clinton side might want to portray it that way because it paints Sanders as dishonest for saying he's still trying to win while secretly backing out and plays into the narrative that the primary is over. But I can think of other reasons why Sanders would fire some of his staff.

Possibly they wish to use that money in other ways (like more money to television adds, for example).

Possibly they're letting people go in states that have already voted.

Hard to really say what the context is, though, as you did not provide a source.

yes it does. it means that he knows he will never need those staffers again because he will never campaign in those states again because he isn't going to be the nominee.

[Ashmoria]

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

you have a problem with her talking about women in prison?

wow

[AiliailiA]

Yes, yes, we all know about your well-documented hostility and paranoia towards women. Could you please at least pollute some other thread with it, if you won't keep it to yourself?

This was actually relevant to the primary. Gender has come into the election a lot this year.

Clinton's comments are hard to defend. Particularly galling is how she mentions race and gender in the same sentence, implying that because African-Americans are discriminated against in policing and sentencing, therefore women are too. The opposite is the case.

It's fair enough to mention women in the corrections system. The excessive incarceration of the the US does affect women as well as men. Some of the comments can be taken to apply generally to all prisoners, like:

It is time we reform our broken criminal justice system. First, we need to reform policing practices, end racial profiling, and eradicate racial disparities in sentencing. Second, we need to promote alternatives to incarceration, particularly for nonviolent and first-time offenders, so families aren't broken up.

... at which point I'd expect her to mention the disastrous effect on African-American families of fathers being locked up.

But no. The words "woman" or "women" appear 22 times in the piece, the word "man" appears once and "fathers" once: both in deprecating comparisons to women:

Many of them grew up in abusive households, like Alice, and they are more likely than men in prison to have experienced sexual abuse or trauma in their life before prison.

Mothers in prison are five times more likely than fathers in prison to have to put their children in foster care while they serve their sentences.

Nowhere does she mention that over 90% of the people (including parents) in prison ARE MEN.

[Khadgar]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

you have a problem with her talking about women in prison?

wow

I'm sure you're as shocked as I am.

[Ashmoria]

you have a problem with her talking about women in prison?

wow

I'm sure you're as shocked as I am.

I actually am bewildered by how many posters agreed with him.

[Trumpostan]

ayyy feel the Johnson

Did she actually say that though? I may hate her and all but that seems a bit far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opini ... on-crisis/

The most stunning thing about her argument is that she lists off how most of the women in prison:

Are non-violent offenders
come from poor backgrounds
have drug problems

As arguments why women specifically should have different treatment.

At one point she also brings up how women are more likely to have custody of their children and so should get lesser sentences.

The entire speech is one long list of reasons why no man should vote for Clinton, and no woman should if she wants to consider herself in favor of equality of the sexes.

Saying "x is a problem" is not the same as saying "y is not a problem".

You're desperately trying to point something out that just plain ain't there... unlike...say... Trump's sexism and misogyny which he has been liberally displaying for all to see.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ings-women