[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[Maurepas]

For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?

your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

That's not a doomsday prediction. Trump actually is a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience. That's just a fact.

[The Romulan Republic]

your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

Heh.

I'm guessing he just doesn't want to admit what the potential consequences of refusing to back Clinton could be, so is opting to straw man/ad hominem me.

[The balkens]

your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

Doomsday predictions?

I said that it is possible for Trump to win, that he is bigoted, and that he is a would-be despot.

Which of those predictions do you challenge with your little straw man/ad hominem?

*ding*

[The Romulan Republic]

Doomsday predictions?

I said that it is possible for Trump to win, that he is bigoted, and that he is a would-be despot.

Which of those predictions do you challenge with your little straw man/ad hominem?

*ding*

A man who is apparently driven entirely be his own ego, and has openly spoken about violating the constitution, censoring the press, and ordering troops to commit war crimes while praising dictators from Saddam Hussien to Kim Jong Un? A man who has referenced Mussolini and according to at least one report keeps Hitler speeches by his bed side? Who has condoned and incited violence from his supporters?

If my conclusion is a leap, it is a very small one.

I suspect that if Trump fails to be a despot, it will only be because he lacks the competency to be one.

Or, of course, because the voters did the sane thing and kept him from ever getting the chance.

[Ameriganastan]

...Not sure what that means. I'm just not voting.

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

[The Orson Empire]

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

*facepalm*

Man, I don't know what to tell you then. You freak out about Trump winning when the election hasn't started yet, and yet when presented with the opportunity to vote against him, the most basic thing you could do to stop Trump, you say "it wouldn't make a difference".

If anything, this attitude is just helping his cause.

[The balkens]

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

*facepalm*

Man, I don't know what to tell you then. You freak out about Trump winning when the election hasn't started yet, and yet when presented with the opportunity to vote against him, the most basic thing you could do to stop Trump, you say "it wouldn't make a difference".

If anything, this attitude is just helping his cause.

If he doesnt want to vote, let him be.

[Geilinor]

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

That attitude doesn't help. If you care about stopping Trump, it makes sense to vote.

[The Orson Empire]

*facepalm*

Man, I don't know what to tell you then. You freak out about Trump winning when the election hasn't started yet, and yet when presented with the opportunity to vote against him, the most basic thing you could do to stop Trump, you say "it wouldn't make a difference".

If anything, this attitude is just helping his cause.

If he doesnt want to vote, let him be.

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

[Republic of Tacos]

Vermin Supreme will make America Hilarious Again

Same.

[Maurepas]

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

But there are many like you that are making the same decision and yet are as freaked out about a Trump Presidency as any sane person should be. Yourself and them make up enough to keep him from winning. But it starts with one's self.

[The balkens]

If he doesnt want to vote, let him be.

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

[The Orson Empire]

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

True, but you stand to lose everything if Trump wins.

[Ameriganastan]

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

Cause there's nothing I can do. He's obviously going to win, and I can't stop him with 1 vote. And I refuse to vote for Hillary. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

[The balkens]

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

True, but you stand to lose everything if Trump wins.

Lost what? 4 years of sanity?

[The Romulan Republic]

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

Cause there's nothing I can do. He's obviously going to win, and I can't stop him with 1 vote. And I refuse to vote for Hillary. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

He's not obviously going to win, and such an assumption is a rather poor (and ironic) excuse for helping him to potentially win.

And voting is by nature a collective endeavour. Rarely will one vote alone decide an election, but if enough people decide their votes don't matter, it very much does matter.

To be frank, refusing to vote on the grounds that your vote doesn't matter because your vote alone will not decide everything strikes me as some kind of egotism.

[The Romulan Republic]

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

1. The mere fact of Trump being elected would likely devastate America's reputation, be a recruiting aid for terrorists, destabilize the global economy, and embolden bigots while solidifying their position in the new political mainstream.

That's not even getting into what he might do once in office.

Everyone stands to lose from him winning.

2. Saying that it doesn't matter to you because you stand nothing to lose is effectively saying "What do I care if the rights of every minority group and women get thrown under the bus, as long as I'm not affected?"

[Astrolinium]

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

1. The mere fact of Trump being elected would likely devastate America's reputation, be a recruiting aid for terrorists, destabilize the global economy, and embolden bigots while solidifying their position in the new political mainstream.

That's not even getting into what he might do once in office.

Everyone stands to lose from him winning.

2. Saying that it doesn't matter to you because you stand nothing to lose is effectively saying "What do I care if the rights of every minority group and women get thrown under the bus, as long as I'm not affected?"

It's the kind of dangerous, terrible, "Fuck you, I got mine" that gets people like Trump nominated in the first place, honestly.

[New Jerzylvania]

If the link below is indeed the Dem strategy to defeat Donald Trump, how can Elizabeth Warren not be the veep pick with her specific oratory talents and ability to get under Donald Trump's skin?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... andom_2_na

[Maurepas]

It's his choice, but if he is so worked up about Trump winning, I don't see why he won't do anything to stop him.

Cause there's nothing I can do. He's obviously going to win, and I can't stop him with 1 vote. And I refuse to vote for Hillary. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

You say there's "Nothing I can do", but clearly what you meant to say was "I refuse to stop him".

[The balkens]

He has no dog in thus fight, likely. I stand to gain nothing if trump or Hillary win.

1. The mere fact of Trump being elected would likely devastate America's reputation, be a recruiting aid for terrorists, destabilize the global economy, and embolden bigots while solidifying their position in the new political mainstream.

That's not even getting into what he might do once in office.

Everyone stands to lose from him winning.

2. Saying that it doesn't matter to you because you stand nothing to lose is effectively saying "What do I care if the rights of every minority group and women get thrown under the bus, as long as I'm not affected?"

youre acting as if thats a sure thing.

[Socialist Nordia]

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

Cause it wouldn't make a difference. He's not gonna win by 1 vote.

Because what difference, at this point, does it make?

[Ameriganastan]

Cause there's nothing I can do. He's obviously going to win, and I can't stop him with 1 vote. And I refuse to vote for Hillary. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

You say there's "Nothing I can do", but clearly what you mean to say was "I refuse to stop him".

Cause I can't. No one can. Why bother getting on the losing side of a lost fight?

[The Romulan Republic]

1. The mere fact of Trump being elected would likely devastate America's reputation, be a recruiting aid for terrorists, destabilize the global economy, and embolden bigots while solidifying their position in the new political mainstream.

That's not even getting into what he might do once in office.

Everyone stands to lose from him winning.

2. Saying that it doesn't matter to you because you stand nothing to lose is effectively saying "What do I care if the rights of every minority group and women get thrown under the bus, as long as I'm not affected?"

It's the kind of dangerous, terrible, "Fuck you, I got mine" that gets people like Trump nominated in the first place, honestly.

Indeed.

And leaving aside arguments over weather Trump is the next Hitler, merely a pathetic buffoon, or somewhere in between, their is a well-known and rather apropos quote which is applicable to anyone who sits on the sidelines because they do not feel that they personally are affected:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."- Pastor Martin Niemoller.

https://en.wikipedial.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Never, ever imagine that what affects other people cannot affect you.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

You say there's "Nothing I can do", but clearly what you mean to say was "I refuse to stop him".

Cause I can't. No one can. Why bother getting on the losing side of a lost fight?

You lose the chance of martyrdom

you look like a child when you refuse to help

i made peace with hillary and i'm voting for her