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Postby Maurepas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:54 pm

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New Antegria II wrote:#ImWithHer

P.S. Who else thinks Hillary should change her slogan to Dump the Trump if you think she should, then comment #DumpTheTrump

Absolutely not. She should adopt a positive slogan that explains her vision for America. "I'm With Her" is cultish and weird.

I like #ImWithHer it's easy, memorable, rolls off the tongue, and is a direct response to "make america great again", plus it denotes the historical nature of her Presidency.

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:55 pm

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Eol Sha wrote:Absolutely not. She should adopt a positive slogan that explains her vision for America. "I'm With Her" is cultish and weird.

I like #ImWithHer it's easy, memorable, rolls off the tongue, and is a direct response to "make america great again", plus it denotes the historical nature of her Presidency.

I completely disagree.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:55 pm

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Ameriganastan wrote:That's what they kept saying during the nominee race. And look how that's ended up!

This shouldn't be surprising. I remember seeing a poll last year that had Trump leading all of the other Republican candidates.

The minute I saw that poll, I knew that he would likely keep his lead, and I was right.

It is surprising. Cause despite my utter hatred of politics, I figured people would have at least one modicum of sense to not let this happen. Clearly, I was wrong, and now we're 4 months from president Trump.
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Postby Maurepas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:56 pm

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Maurepas wrote:I like #ImWithHer it's easy, memorable, rolls off the tongue, and is a direct response to "make america great again", plus it denotes the historical nature of her Presidency.

I completely disagree.

What would be better then?

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:56 pm

One possible alternative would be the slogan she used at her joint event with Bernie where he endorsed her:

"Stronger together"

It not only calls for unity on the Left against Trump, but works as a response and challenge to Trump's bigotry and incitement of violence.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:57 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:One possible alternative would be the slogan she used at her joint event with Bernie where he endorsed her:

"Stronger together"

It not only calls for unity on the Left against Trump, but works as a response and challenge to Trump's bigotry and incitement of violence.

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Postby The balkens » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:58 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:One possible alternative would be the slogan she used at her joint event with Bernie where he endorsed her:

"Stronger together"

It not only calls for unity on the Left against Trump, but works as a response and challenge to Trump's bigotry and incitement of violence.


Violence like Leftists rioting in Chicago or protesting in Arizona?

man, he mustve said some truly awful shit.

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:58 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I completely disagree.

What would be better then?

I dunno.

TRR had a good suggestion.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Maurepas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:59 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:One possible alternative would be the slogan she used at her joint event with Bernie where he endorsed her:

"Stronger together"

It not only calls for unity on the Left against Trump, but works as a response and challenge to Trump's bigotry and incitement of violence.

I don't have a problem with that one. I guess it worked for Scotland's staying in the UK, but that necessarily makes me think of their failure to stay in the EU.

That's pretty nitpicky though, lol

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:02 pm

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The Romulan Republic wrote:One possible alternative would be the slogan she used at her joint event with Bernie where he endorsed her:

"Stronger together"

It not only calls for unity on the Left against Trump, but works as a response and challenge to Trump's bigotry and incitement of violence.


Violence like Leftists rioting in Chicago or protesting in Arizona?

man, he mustve said some truly awful shit.


I don't deny or condone the presence of violence on the Left, but their is a major hole in your straw man argument.

Only one one side has their been a candidate blatantly endorsing and condoning said violence. And he isn't on the Left.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:04 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Violence like Leftists rioting in Chicago or protesting in Arizona?

man, he mustve said some truly awful shit.


I don't deny or condone the presence of violence on the Left, but their is a major hole in your straw man argument.

Only one one side has their been a candidate blatantly endorsing and condoning said violence. And he isn't on the Left.


Never said he wasnt, if you excuse me, i have plans to vote for Gary Johnson.

because Fuck shitty choices.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:05 pm

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because Fuck shitty choices.

Amen to that.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:08 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The balkens wrote:
because Fuck shitty choices.

Amen to that.


You should join us, its not worth losing your spine to regret doing your duty as a citizen.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:09 pm

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Ameriganastan wrote:Amen to that.


You should join us, its not worth losing your spine to regret doing your duty as a citizen.

...Not sure what that means. I'm just not voting.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:10 pm

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To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?

The fact that he got this far is proof enough of the eventual end result.


That makes no sense. Somebody makes it that far each election cycle. It doesn't mean that the person will win.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:12 pm

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:12 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Calm the fuck down, man. The election is still four months away.

That's what they kept saying during the nominee race. And look how that's ended up!


Yes. However, at this point, his support has topped out. He doesn't even have support from major members of his own party, whereas Clinton has the unwavering support of her biggest rival in the primaries, and most (though not all) of his followers.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:12 pm

For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:13 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The balkens wrote:
You should join us, its not worth losing your spine to regret doing your duty as a citizen.

...Not sure what that means. I'm just not voting.

Okay, so you are freaking out about Trump winning...yet you aren't going to do anything to stop it.

If you are just going to sit on your ass and do nothing, then why complain?

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Postby The balkens » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:14 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:15 pm

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The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.


Helping what situation?

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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:15 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:16 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.

You downplaying the situation isn't helping either.

I get it- I personally view Hillary as a really shitty candidate. I originally wasn't going to vote at all...but when you have a protofascist candidate running on the other side, you have to step up and do your part to stop it.

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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:16 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.


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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:17 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:For all her problems, Clinton is unquestionably superior to Trump. And as no other candidate has a realistic chance of winning, if you do not vote, or vote for a minor candidate, you are de facto aiding Trump. Its not fair, but that's the way it is.

Do you want to look back at the day your country, the most powerful country on Earth, elected a bigoted would-be despot with zero political experience and not be able to say that you did everything you could to defeat him in that election?


your doomsday predictions are not helping the situation.


Doomsday predictions?

I said that it is possible for Trump to win, that he is bigoted, and that he is a would-be despot.

Which of those predictions do you challenge with your little straw man/ad hominem?
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