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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:12 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:After tinkering around the edges of it for weeks, I've finalized my personal list of acceptable picks for Clinton's VP (always assuming that she doesn't pull some really unexpected dark horse like Jerry Brown) in a roughly descending order of excellence: Martin O'Malley, Tom Perez, Deval Patrick, John Hickenlooper, Tom Vilsack, and Tim Kaine.* Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren are also sort of in the mix for me, although I'd be loath to unnecessarily hand either seat over to the a Republican appointee.

On the whole I'm feeling slightly more optimistic at the potential quality of the selection than I was, though of course there's truly no divining her intentions at this point. The people who know aren't talking and the people who are talking are only repeating what the campaign has chosen to give away.

*I'm aware that at least one of those names is not seriously in contention.


To my knowledge, of that list, only Kaine, Perez, Warren, and Brown appear to have been seriously considered.

My preference is Warren, but I fear it'll be Kaine.


You may well be right, but you see I don't trust the media coverage of the process. Unlike Trump, who tried to turn his selection process into reality TV show, Clinton is secretive and deliberate about what she leaks to the media. And political campaigns almost never tip their hands before making an announcement like this, they want to suck up the coverage without having diluted it unless it's a particularly risky trial balloon. I think several of the most widely disseminated names are just a way of Clinton flattering allies and giving them free media boosts, not a sign that she's going to pick them. Or perhaps it's just wishful thinking.

Of those four, Perez would be best, but it would be hard to argue that Kaine isn't the most qualified of all of them.
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Postby Marylandonia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:43 pm

I Can't Get No (Dump-Trump Faction) ~ apologies to The Rolling Stones

I can't get no Dump-Trump faction
I can't get no Dump-Trump faction
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When I'm jivin' in my car
Barack comes on the radio
He's tellin' me more and more
About some hopeless information
Supposed to drive black representation

I can't get no, oh no, no, no
A hey, hey, hey, that's what I say

I can't get no Dump-Trump faction
I can't get no Dump-Trump faction
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When I'm watchin' my TV
Barack comes on and tells me
How white my life can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't rap
The same nigga threats as me

I can't get no, oh no, no, no
A hey, hey, hey, that's what I say

I can't get no Dump-Trump faction
I can't get the world's reaction
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When Trump's flyin' round the world
And he's suing this and he's saying that
And he's tryin' to wreck my world
You tell me baby better come back maybe next week
'Cause GOP's on loser street

I can't get no, oh no, no, no
A hey, hey, hey, that's what I say

I can't get no, I can't get no
I can't get no Dump-Trump faction, no Dump-Trump faction
No Dump-Trump faction, no Dump-Trump faction
I can't get no

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:10 pm

Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.
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Postby Maurepas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:10 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.

What makes you say that?

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.

Dude, stop being so melodramatic. The election hasn't even started yet.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.

What makes you say that?

Cause there's no denying it now. He's the goddamn nominee. We're screwed.
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Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:13 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.

What makes you say that?

Something, something Bernie or busters.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:14 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Maurepas wrote:What makes you say that?

Cause there's no denying it now. He's the goddamn nominee. We're screwed.

Just because Trump is the nominee doesn't mean Hillary will lose. Quite the opposite.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:14 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Maurepas wrote:What makes you say that?

Cause there's no denying it now. He's the goddamn nominee. We're screwed.

Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:15 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:Whelp, this is pretty much game over for the country. Hillary won't beat him. We're gonna have a racist twit with no political experience as president. Nothing to do now but watch it get driven full speed off the proverbial cliff.


Clinton is currently generally beating the Nazi fuck in the polls, albeit not by as much as I would like.

And frankly, barring some unexpected catastrophe, its hard to see her going down hill from here. Divisions with the Bernie camp and the threat of an indictment were her two big hurdles, and both appear largely past. She would have to really fuck things up on the campaign trail to lose.

I particularly look forward to the debates. In all likelihood, either Trump will try to take her on in a policy debate and get thrashed, or he'll just spend the debates abusing and yelling at her, in which case he will look like an asshole and bully in the eyes of anyone who isn't one of his fans already. I don't really see him emerging from the debates looking good.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:16 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Cause there's no denying it now. He's the goddamn nominee. We're screwed.

Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.
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Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:16 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.

Why don't you think Clinton will win, Ameri?
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:17 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.


To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:17 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.

Yes she will. What makes you think Hillary won't beat him?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:17 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Just because someone is the nominee doesn't mean they are going to win the election! Seriously, calm down dude!

I mean, the fact that Trump even got this far is scary, but it's not over yet man!

DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.

You don't know that man. The damn election hasn't even start yet. We are just know transferring from the primary season to the election season.

Trump already appears to be bungling his own campaign.

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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:18 pm

Guys, I know Ameri. There's no point arguing with him; he's just going to keep shouting that he's right no matter what anyone says.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:19 pm

Astrolinium wrote:Guys, I know Ameri. There's no point arguing with him; he's just going to keep shouting that he's right no matter what anyone says.

It doesn't hurt to try
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:Guys, I know Ameri. There's no point arguing with him; he's just going to keep shouting that he's right no matter what anyone says.

It doesn't hurt to try

Yeah, I'm just trying to calm him down. He appears to be panicking.

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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:20 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:DONALD TRUMP is an official candidate for president. Hillary isn't gonna beat him. We done. Finito.


To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?

The fact that he got this far is proof enough of the eventual end result.
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Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out

Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:20 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
Maurepas wrote:What makes you say that?

Cause there's no denying it now. He's the goddamn nominee. We're screwed.

Why do you think he'll win?
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Postby Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:21 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:It doesn't hurt to try

Yeah, I'm just trying to calm him down. He appears to be panicking.

Of course I'm panicking! A racist moron is one election away from running the damn country!
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Ameri does the impossible.
Fire the Ameri.
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.

Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity

Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.

Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:22 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?

The fact that he got this far is proof enough of the eventual end result.


Winning the primary is proof that you will win the general election? :eyebrow:

Someone had best tell President Romney.

I do not believe that the majority of American voters want Donald Trump. If we lose, it will be due to vote splitting or low turnout. Which means this sort of defeatism is not helpful.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:22 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?

The fact that he got this far is proof enough of the eventual end result.

Do you realize how far right the republicans are? Most of the nation leans towards the center-center left.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:22 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
To be blunt, do you have any basis for the assumption that it is impossible for Clinton to beat him other than your gut?

The fact that he got this far is proof enough of the eventual end result.

No, it's not. The general election will be far different than the primaries. Trump now has to appeal to the entire country, not just the wingnuts in the Republican Party.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:23 pm

Ameriganastan wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Yeah, I'm just trying to calm him down. He appears to be panicking.

Of course I'm panicking! A racist moron is one election away from running the damn country!

Not if I and many others have anything to say about it!
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