[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[New Giliberafta]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /87186452/

This is an interesting development.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

[New Giliberafta]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

That's slightly disappointing. And don't get me wrong, I love Lizzie, but I was hoping a Cory Booker or Tim Kaine VP pick.

Nonetheless Lizzie will motivate Bernie supporters and probably increase female voter turnout.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

That's slightly disappointing. And don't get me wrong, I love Lizzie, but I was hoping a Cory Booker or Tim Kaine VP pick.

Nonetheless Lizzie will motivate Bernie supporters and probably increase female voter turnout.

Kaine would do nothing to excite the voter base, and Booker would alienate the progressives she's been working hard to convince to support her due to his friendliness with the financial sector. Warren comes with her own issues, but none are insurmountable.

[Guy]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

PredictIt has her as a 10% chance, with Tim Kaine the clear favourite. Bookmakers are slightly more even, but roughly the same story.

Potentially a good chance to make some money.

[New Jerzylvania]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

We can only hope that's the way it turns out! *holding breath*

[AiliailiA]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

It's a very incomplete list, and as noted Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown aren't on it either (nor is Booker or Sanders). So I'd say Warren isn't on the list because leaking her as a 'headline' speaker would reveal something about the VP choice (ie it's probably not her).

You can't tell much from the absense of a name, when the list is lacking so many other names too.

[Ngelmish]

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

It's a very incomplete list, and as noted Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown aren't on it either (nor is Booker or Sanders). So I'd say Warren isn't on the list because leaking her as a 'headline' speaker would reveal something about the VP choice (ie it's probably not her).

You can't tell much from the absense of a name, when the list is lacking so many other names too.

Exactly. From what I've been reading all day, it looks as though she's deliberately not announced anybody known to be on the VP list to avoid her choice being leaked until she's ready to announce it.

All we can do is wait, and hope that Clinton keeps to her stated criteria of prioritizing governing resume and competence.

[Geilinor]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

There doesn't seem to be a keynote speaker but Sanders has gotten a big slot.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-speak-democratic-convention-n610366

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

There doesn't seem to be a keynote speaker but Sanders has gotten a big slot.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-speak-democratic-convention-n610366

Yep. Primetime, opening night. Works for me.

[New Jerzylvania]

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

There doesn't seem to be a keynote speaker but Sanders has gotten a big slot.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-speak-democratic-convention-n610366

*letting out breath*

[Gauthier]

It is. As is this one:

Elizabeth Warren, originally slated as keynote speaker, is now conspicuously absent from the DNC schedule. Barring some sort of well-hidden behind the scenes conflict with the national committee, this could indicate that she's been rescheduled to speak as the Vice-Presidential nominee a few days later.

There doesn't seem to be a keynote speaker but Sanders has gotten a big slot.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-speak-democratic-convention-n610366

Hopefully security will be on top. I can just imagine a disaffected Bro charging the stage yelling "TRAITOR!!"

[Farnhamia]

There doesn't seem to be a keynote speaker but Sanders has gotten a big slot.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-speak-democratic-convention-n610366

Hopefully security will be on top. I can just imagine a disaffected Bro charging the stage yelling "TRAITOR!!"

Better yet, Sanders could do a modern version of Bryan's 1896 Cross of Gold Speech. He wouldn't even have to edit much it and it's considered one of the great pieces of American oratory.

Upon which side will the Democratic Party fight; upon the side of "the idle holders of idle capital" or upon the side of "the struggling masses"? That is the question which the party must answer first, and then it must be answered by each individual hereafter. The sympathies of the Democratic Party, as shown by the platform, are on the side of the struggling masses, who have ever been the foundation of the Democratic Party.

There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that, if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous, their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests upon them.

He'll have to edit the climax a bit but still:

Having behind us the producing masses of this nation and the world, supported by the commercial interests, the laboring interests, and the toilers everywhere, we will answer their demand for a gold standard by saying to them: "You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns; you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.

[Corrian]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

God I would hope so. If she did that, my approval of her would go up a lot.

[The Romulan Republic]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/16/hillary-clinton-push-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/87186452/

This is an interesting development.

God I would hope so. If she did that, my approval of her would go up a lot.

An Amendment is very hard to pass, so you could argue that she's making a promise she knows she probably can't really follow through on meaningfully.

On the other hand, better to aim high than settle for mediocrity.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016 ... 2416845964
So am i democrat and republican all candidates are close to me.
But i am not american.

[Corrian]

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2416845964
So am i democrat and republican all candidates are close to me.
But i am not american.

How...how can you have Trump and Sanders 2% apart?

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2416845964
So am i democrat and republican all candidates are close to me.
But i am not american.

How...how can you have Trump and Sanders 2% apart?

I don't know i am against illegal immigrants but i support free education and gay marriage and abortion.

[Freefall11111]

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2416845964
So am i democrat and republican all candidates are close to me.
But i am not american.

How...how can you have Trump and Sanders 2% apart?

It's a shit site, that's why.

[The Romulan Republic]

I feel almost sickened at the torrent of abuse, condemnation, conspiracy theories, and declarations of support for Stein or even Trump overrunning Senator Sanders' Facebook posts. Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton because it was the best way to achieve something for his supporters and for the progressive principles he has fought for his entire career, and he deserves better than this from his own supporters.

Of course, these people are a minority. But they are a vocal minority, trying to hijack and sabotage everything Senator Sanders and progressives in general have worked to achieve out of fanaticism, wishful thinking, and spite.

If you, like me, support progressive principles, you have an obligation to call these people out. The greatest danger to any movement or organization is being taken over by its own extremist fringe, as the fate of the Republican Party shows.

[Corrian]

I feel almost sickened at the torrent of abuse, condemnation, conspiracy theories, and declarations of support for Stein or even Trump overrunning Senator Sanders' Facebook posts. Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton because it was the best way to achieve something for his supporters and for the progressive principles he has fought for his entire career, and he deserves better than this from his own supporters.

Of course, these people are a minority. But they are a vocal minority, trying to hijack and sabotage everything Senator Sanders and progressives in general have worked to achieve out of fanaticism, wishful thinking, and spite.

If you, like me, support progressive principles, you have an obligation to call these people out. The greatest danger to any movement or organization is being taken over by its own extremist fringe, as the fate of the Republican Party shows.

The whole comments section on his page has gone to shit. You got the occasional people in the comments calling them out, though. I think it's because the worst are the main ones left. Though presumably not anymore.

[Galloism]

I feel almost sickened at the torrent of abuse, condemnation, conspiracy theories, and declarations of support for Stein or even Trump overrunning Senator Sanders' Facebook posts. Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton because it was the best way to achieve something for his supporters and for the progressive principles he has fought for his entire career, and he deserves better than this from his own supporters.

Of course, these people are a minority. But they are a vocal minority, trying to hijack and sabotage everything Senator Sanders and progressives in general have worked to achieve out of fanaticism, wishful thinking, and spite.

If you, like me, support progressive principles, you have an obligation to call these people out. The greatest danger to any movement or organization is being taken over by its own extremist fringe, as the fate of the Republican Party shows.

The whole comments section on his page has gone to shit. You got the occasional people in the comments calling them out, though. I think it's because the worst are the main ones left. Though presumably not anymore.

Honestly I don't get it. He got over 60% of the stuff he wanted in the platform, has a prime speaking slot at the convention, and is forming a new set of liberal lobbying organizations to put pressure on Congress.

He might have done more in losing than if he had goddamn won. Be happy. Take what you can get. It's not bad. It really isn't.

[Gauthier]

The whole comments section on his page has gone to shit. You got the occasional people in the comments calling them out, though. I think it's because the worst are the main ones left. Though presumably not anymore.

Honestly I don't get it. He got over 60% of the stuff he wanted in the platform, has a prime speaking slot at the convention, and is forming a new set of liberal lobbying organizations to put pressure on Congress.

He might have done more in losing than if he had goddamn won. Be happy. Take what you can get. It's not bad. It really isn't.

Combination of Bernier Than Thou and buying into decades of propaganda about Hillary Clinton.

[The Romulan Republic]

The whole comments section on his page has gone to shit. You got the occasional people in the comments calling them out, though. I think it's because the worst are the main ones left. Though presumably not anymore.

Honestly I don't get it. He got over 60% of the stuff he wanted in the platform, has a prime speaking slot at the convention, and is forming a new set of liberal lobbying organizations to put pressure on Congress.

He might have done more in losing than if he had goddamn won. Be happy. Take what you can get. It's not bad. It really isn't.

It seems to be largely just hate and distrust of Hillary Clinton, and to a lesser extent general hostility towards the establishment, combined with conspiracy-theorist thinking and delusions of the Green Party ever mattering as anything other than vote splitters.

[USS Monitor]

The whole comments section on his page has gone to shit. You got the occasional people in the comments calling them out, though. I think it's because the worst are the main ones left. Though presumably not anymore.

Honestly I don't get it. He got over 60% of the stuff he wanted in the platform, has a prime speaking slot at the convention, and is forming a new set of liberal lobbying organizations to put pressure on Congress.

He might have done more in losing than if he had goddamn won. Be happy. Take what you can get. It's not bad. It really isn't.

I still want him for president, but yeah, he got something in return for his endorsement, so it's not just selling out.