Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Godular]

Why to say all the time irrelevant! It's my own question, you cannot say everything is irrelevant.

Yes I can, if it is irrelevant. And I explained exactly why it is irrelevant.

[Neutraligon]

No it does not. It feel nothing until nearly six months into the pregnancy.

Research has shown it begins to feel pain and other sensations at around 11 weeks where its nervous system is forming

Incorrect. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a ... -20-weeks/

[Godular]

No it does not. It feel nothing until nearly six months into the pregnancy.

Research has shown it begins to feel pain and other sensations at around 11 weeks where its nervous system is forming

Incorrect. CREDIBLE research indicates that any form of coherent synaptic activity does not arise until somewhere around the 24 week mark. Before then it is a vegetable, insensate and unconscious.

[Afghaanistan]

I am neutral , mabey i favour the pro-life decision , but i am not against the pro-choise decision

[Ardavia]

No it does not. It feel nothing until nearly six months into the pregnancy.

Research has shown it begins to feel pain and other sensations at around 11 weeks where its nervous system is forming

not really

it doesn't have the necessary neural structure to experience pain until week 24

it might react to stimulus prior to that, but so do plants and fucking bacteria

[Aegis Prime]

Fine I may be wrong, after all i havent looked at all the research myself. But whether it feels pain or not doesnt detract from the fact that a life is being forcefully ended.

[Neutraligon]

Fine I may be wrong, after all i havent looked at all the research myself. But whether it feels pain or not doesnt detract from the fact that a life is being forcefully ended.

I doubt there are many who disagree with the fact that abortion ends a life or at least the possibility of a life.

[Godular]

Fine I may be wrong, after all i havent looked at all the research myself. But whether it feels pain or not doesnt detract from the fact that a life is being forcefully ended.

And said life is imposing upon the rights of another. A person is allowed to kill to prevent others from using their body against their will.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Both the Parents and the child will suffer, painfully, miserable society is not a thing to get concered about , Life is great, if you cannot understand it is, you are probably ungrateful of what you have, and nobody chooses how they live, and the abortion will make life end before it even happened and it will end it painfully.

Life may be for you, but not for everyone. If an abortion is desired, the fetus is unwanted. Therefore, if not aborted, the fetus would grow up unwanted, unloved. Real happy, right?

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
- Ronald Reagen

It's also denounced by those who have been born. Please, ask a fetus for me his/her stance on abortion?

[Socialist Nordia]

Fine I may be wrong, after all i havent looked at all the research myself. But whether it feels pain or not doesnt detract from the fact that a life is being forcefully ended.

And, as previously stated, that life doesn't have the right to extract bodily resources and inflict bodily harm on the woman without her consent. If we hold a foetus to the same standard as a born life(what pro life advocates constantly stress), then If someone who was born decided to use your body in ways that are harmful to you that you do not consent to, you would have the right to defend yourself against that person. If a foetus is a person, I don't see why they should get special treatment. Unless you don't feel that a foetus is a real person and contradict the mainstream pro life argument.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

(stealing this from someone) Two words: Umbilical Cord

[Stojam]

I think that because the Fetus has diffrences from his Biological mother, like the blood type and the DNA, it's not a part of the Woman, then the Woman has no right to end his life like that, it's quite murder if you think about it from the view of the Unborn.
Think of it as like a car, You are in a car, but not a part of it, you just rely on the aspects of the car to help you survive.

[Ardavia]

I think that because the Fetus has diffrences from his Biological mother, like the blood type and the DNA, it's not a part of the Woman, then the Woman has no right to end his life like that, it's quite murder if you think about it from the view of the Unborn.
Think of it as like a car, You are in a car, but not a part of it, you just rely on the aspects of the car to help you survive.

the car is not being harmed by your presence, and the analogy is utter horseshit

[United Syria]

Someones quoting Hunter Avallone. Not saying I disagree with Hunter though.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

I talked to another guy, not you, please note it, the evidence is the UK telegraph site.

You'll note that everyone on the forum has the right to reply to anyone they please.

[Socialist Nordia]

I think that because the Fetus has diffrences from his Biological mother, like the blood type and the DNA, it's not a part of the Woman, then the Woman has no right to end his life like that, it's quite murder if you think about it from the view of the Unborn.
Think of it as like a car, You are in a car, but not a part of it, you just rely on the aspects of the car to help you survive.

No one said that it is part of her, please keep up. It isn't part of her, but it is fully dependant upon her body and resources to live. For that reason, if a woman doesn't wish to have her bodily resources stolen or her body harmed, she may abort. It's not murder if it is in self defence. Everyone has a right to defend their bodies from unwanted harm. Hence, if a woman is being raped, it's not murder if she kills her rapist in self defence.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

No, from what I saw, you just tried to swarm and break me, that's all, denying everything I say, now I leave you be.

Swarm? Hmm, maybe there are more pro-choicers.

[United Syria]

"She may abort. Its not murder if its in self defense."

Please go search up "right of self-defense".

[Godular]

I think that because the Fetus has diffrences from his Biological mother, like the blood type and the DNA, it's not a part of the Woman, then the Woman has no right to end his life like that, it's quite murder if you think about it from the view of the Unborn.

And as previously stated an explained: irrelevant. It is IN the woman, using her bodily resources and otherwise causing harm to the woman. A woman absolutely has the right to defend herself from this, and it is wrong to deny her that right.

Think of it as like a car, You are in a car, but not a part of it, you just rely on the aspects of the car to help you survive.

And if that car happened to be a woman and she doesn't want you 'in' her, she can kill you to prevent you from inserting yourself in her.

[Godular]

"She may abort. Its not murder if its in self defense."

Please go search up "right of self-defense".

We did, that is why we note it quite readily applies.

[United Syria]

Fine I may be wrong, after all i havent looked at all the research myself. But whether it feels pain or not doesnt detract from the fact that a life is being forcefully ended.

And said life is imposing upon the rights of another. A person is allowed to kill to prevent others from using their body against their will.

Funny how the same amendment grants the fetus the right of life.

[Ardavia]

And said life is imposing upon the rights of another. A person is allowed to kill to prevent others from using their body against their will.

Funny how the same amendment grants the fetus the right of life.

I mean, yeah the right to life exists

but it's absolutely overridden by the right to bodily sovereignty, as evidenced by the right to self-defense

that doesn't change whether it's a fetus or a born person

[Socialist Nordia]

And said life is imposing upon the rights of another. A person is allowed to kill to prevent others from using their body against their will.

Funny how the same amendment grants the fetus the right of life.

No one cited an amendment, are you seeing things that aren't there?

[Godular]

And said life is imposing upon the rights of another. A person is allowed to kill to prevent others from using their body against their will.

Funny how the same amendment grants the fetus the right of life.

Incorrect. It is not a denial of the fetus' rights to cut it off from what it needs to survive if those needs impose upon the rights of another person.