Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Stojam]

It's not a Youtuber, if you even watched it you would've known and it's a Macedonian government ad.

[Neutraligon]

It's not a Youtuber, if you even watched it you would've known and it's a Macedonian government ad.

You still have not given me a reason to watch it.You should still be able to make your own case.

[Stojam]

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[Mattopilos]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

Someone is mad that he isn't getting his way and thinks everything from his and his cuckservative friends is right. Yeah, the fetus isn't part of the woman... but neither are her possessions and you can't decide what to do with them because you don't own it... so what point is that? Your arguments are flawed and driven by ignorance of science and a desire for control like religion. Please learn people have different views than you, and you have no right over someones ideals and their decisions on these matters.

[Neutraligon]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

It does not matter if it is a part of the woman or not, if it is a part of the woman (and I claim that before viability it is) then it is well within her rights to remove it. If it is not a part of the woman then it has no right to use her body against her will and as such she still has the right to remove it. The last part could be considered flaming and on these forums can get you warned or banned.

[Stojam]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

Someone is mad that he isn't getting his way and thinks everything from his and his cuckservative friends is right. Yeah, the fetus isn't part of the woman... but neither are her possessions and you can't decide what to do with them because you don't own it... so what point is that? Your arguments are flawed and driven by ignorance of science and a desire for control like religion. Please learn people have different views than you, and you have no right over someones ideals and their decisions on these matters.

A Human life isn't a possession.

[Mattopilos]

Someone is mad that he isn't getting his way and thinks everything from his and his cuckservative friends is right. Yeah, the fetus isn't part of the woman... but neither are her possessions and you can't decide what to do with them because you don't own it... so what point is that? Your arguments are flawed and driven by ignorance of science and a desire for control like religion. Please learn people have different views than you, and you have no right over someones ideals and their decisions on these matters.

A Human life isn't a possession.

It also isn't something that can give consent, so again, you haven't made a valid point, and are using emotion instead of rationality. Then again, we are speaking with a conservative.

[Neutraligon]

A Human life isn't a possession.

It also isn't something that can give consent, so again, you haven't made a valid point, and are using emotion instead of rationality. Then again, we are speaking with a conservative.

The last point is poorly made, whether progressive or conservative both sides will occasionally use emotion rather then rationality to make arguments.

[Suicune]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

A tapeworm is not part of my body, can I still get that removed?

[Mattopilos]

It also isn't something that can give consent, so again, you haven't made a valid point, and are using emotion instead of rationality. Then again, we are speaking with a conservative.

The last point is poorly made, whether progressive or conservative both sides will occasionally use emotion rather then rationality to make arguments.

Point noted, I retract the last statement and instead say "please use a rational argument that answers the question 'why is abortion bad and when is it bad'?"

[Italios]

You know what?, Fuck you both, you're wrong, Abortion is batshit insane and should only be performed in Rape cases or worse, the last time I checked a Fetus isn't a part of a Woman , can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove it otherwise? No, have a shitty day, asshole.

You're really not understanding the bodily sovereignty argument if you think it's about treating the fetus and the woman as the same being.

[Ashmoria]

I disagree with abortion because it's a lie and "Her body, her choice" is a lie, the Fetus has a separate blood type and separate DNA because there is a policy that's saying to separate the unborn child from the mother's DNA to prevent diseases, and before you say this is irrelevant or what is the source, read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/ ... -womb.html
Just because the baby is inside of the Woman it doesn't mean it's a copy of her, think of it like in a car, you are in a car, but you aren't part of it, you just rely on aspects of the car to keep you alive.

why would anyone want to force untold thousands of women to create babies they don't want or cant take care of?

[Stojam]

Anarcho- Communism cannot exist like Abortion, and it's completely impossible if we wake up one day and the government cedes to exist, first thing people will do is to create a government even something small as a family unit, the leader being the father figure, and then eventually the family will merge with other families to create a neighbourhood to protect them from potential thieves, and it would build up again.
(Yes I am talking to you Mettapolis , our Anarcho-Communist.)

[Mattopilos]

Anarcho- Communism cannot exist like Abortion, and it's completely impossible if we wake up one day and the government cedes to exist, first thing people will do is to create a government even something small as a family unit, the leader being the father figure, and then eventually the family will merge with other families to create a neighbourhood to protect them from potential thieves, and it would build up again.
(Yes I am talking to you Mettapolis , our Anarcho-Communist.)

Ad hominem attacks don't make you look good "You are wrong because of your ideology" isn't a valid argument. Also, you have no proof of the concept you are creating. A collective desire will be what drives people and forms a community - dialectic egoism allows anarcho-communism to exist.

[Neutraligon]

Anarcho- Communism cannot exist like Abortion, and it's completely impossible if we wake up one day and the government cedes to exist, first thing people will do is to create a government even something small as a family unit, the leader being the father figure, and then eventually the family will merge with other families to create a neighbourhood to protect them from potential thieves, and it would build up again.
(Yes I am talking to you Mettapolis , our Anarcho-Communist.)

How is any of what you wrote there relevant to the abortion thread? Since abortions have existed for centuries, to before the Torah was written, I fail to see how it cannot exist.

[Stojam]

You said Conservatism is wrong and ignorant, have you checked Conservative policies before saying stuff? No? Then congrats, you are ignorant, And also, in ancient times they didn't know what Abortion is, they didn't know how to perform it, they just killed the baby with brute force if the Woman didn't want the baby.

[Mattopilos]

You said Conservatism is wrong and ignorant, have you checked Conservative policies before saying stuff? No? Then congrats, you are ignorant, And also, in ancient times they didn't know what Abortion is, they didn't know how to perform it, they just killed the baby with brute force if the Woman didn't want the baby.

I have, and I retracted my statement, if you can fucking read. And yes, let us compare the forceful abortion thousands of years ago to the choice of abortion with modern techniques. classy.

[Neutraligon]

You said Conservatism is wrong and ignorant, have you checked Conservative policies before saying stuff? No? Then congrats, you are ignorant, And also, in ancient times they didn't know what Abortion is, they didn't know how to perform it, they just killed the baby with brute force if the Woman didn't want the baby.

You are objectively wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

[Ifreann]

I disagree with abortion because it's a lie and "Her body, her choice" is a lie, the Fetus has a separate blood type and separate DNA because there is a policy that's saying to separate the unborn child from the mother's DNA to prevent diseases...

I stopped reading here, because this is gibberish that demonstrates considerable ignorance on your part.

But then I noticed your signature, which is twice as long as the rules allow. You might want to do something about that.

[Stojam]

First of all, you mix up, I didn't talk to you about Ancient times, and look buddy as not all Leftists are bad and then not all of Right-Wingers are bad.

[Stojam]

I disagree with abortion because it's a lie and "Her body, her choice" is a lie, the Fetus has a separate blood type and separate DNA because there is a policy that's saying to separate the unborn child from the mother's DNA to prevent diseases...

I stopped reading here, because this is gibberish that demonstrates considerable ignorance on your part.

But then I noticed your signature, which is twice as long as the rules allow. You might want to do something about that.

How is it gibberish huh? How is it? I have evidence, you are the ignorant here now and why do you even care about my signature? You have nothing better to do?

[Mattopilos]

First of all, you mix up, I didn't talk to you about Ancient times, and look buddy as not all Leftists are bad and then not all of Right-Wingers are bad.

*ahem* "And also, in ancient times they didn't know what Abortion is, they didn't know how to perform it..."

[Mattopilos]

I stopped reading here, because this is gibberish that demonstrates considerable ignorance on your part.

But then I noticed your signature, which is twice as long as the rules allow. You might want to do something about that.

How is it gibberish huh? How is it? I have evidence, you are the ignorant here now and why do you even care about my signature? You have nothing better to do?

Please do give "evidence" for your claims (Read: not emotionally charged moral arguments that have no merit)

[Stojam]

I talked to another guy, not you, please note it, the evidence is the UK telegraph site.

[Neutraligon]

First of all, you mix up, I didn't talk to you about Ancient times, and look buddy as not all Leftists are bad and then not all of Right-Wingers are bad.

in ancient times they didn't know what Abortion is, they didn't know how to perform it, they just killed the baby with brute force if the Woman didn't want the baby.

This is what you said. I told you that you are objectively wrong. The article I linked showed that in Ancient times not only did people know what abortions where, they also performed them using various methods. The rest of your comment is irrelevant.

I talked to another guy, not you, please note it, the evidence is the UK telegraph site.

Then I am sure you can link it. The link you provided has nothing to do with abortion. As to your comment being gibberish, the grammar is rather poor and thus makes it difficult to understand what you are trying to say.

No one disagrees that the DNA is different, that is kinda obvious. The car analogy fails because we can very easily live without cars and are not violating any bodily sovereignty issues when using them. The same cannot be said for not-borns who are entirely dependent on the mothers body for a significant period of time and as such for that period of time could be considered part of the mother's body and who do violate bodily sovereignty if the woman does not want it present within her body.